Not so sure ISIS wants to attack U.S., as commentators on TV keep suggesting
Not really sure that ISIS 'wants' the U.S. or is any more capable of taking the U.S. than say Russia is or China.
But this narrative that 'ISIS is coming for the U.S' keeps getting pushed by commentators in the News and by other high ranking politicians.
Not sure what ISIS would gain by wasting resources trying to attack America, in fact until U.S. started bombing them, the U.S. wasn't even in their cross hairs, at least not publicly.
This may shock some but I think ISIS just wants to be left alone.
I know that sounds nieve, but there's some truth to that, it's one thing to sweep in suddenly and take over desert towns and territory in sparsely populated areas, it's another thing to begin actually Governing in a way that allows society to function.
That would include trade, ect ect.
Just about all groups, revelutions start off violent, but eventually things settle down, and people start dealing with day to day life again. This is normally when divisions begin occurring within the ranks or movement.
By the U.S. drooling to get involved in this conflict, all U.S. does is ensure ISIS, or that mentality, simply spreads further out, and or pulls others in.
It's hard to go to war with an ideology or religion, expecially one that's so embedded in most people in that region.
You really can't crush what's in some ones heart, not through bombs anyways.
Not sure what the strategy would be.
Drop bombs, they scatter, we leave, they regroup....this could go on for 500 years.
Don't really have one, other than it really needs to be handled regionally by regional nations over there, not by the U.S.
When we bomb, and kill others, we just create 10 more future jihadist for everyone we kill.
But it's like a self fulfilling prophecy, cause if we go to war with ISIS, then out of desperation they will go underground and get back at nation States who attacked them.
If we do nothing, than eventually some other nations will be forced to step up for their own survival, heck even Iran, since ISIS is knocking on their back door now.
Not sure there's even 1 American Marine or soldier or Navy or Air Force personal who wants to go over there and loose their life.
Certainly none of the commentators in the news will be volunteering to go fight.
I think the President really wants to hold off doing anything over there until he leaves office, but I think his hands will be forced before that time.
U.S. citizens thinking about going to Syria/Iraq to join foreign fighters, it could be one way trip
With the rash of recently killed American fighters in Syria and Iraq, it should make one pause before going over there...
I mean like a gang, who's to say once there, they'll allow you 2 return alive?
Once there, once you learn all their secrets, where there bases are and other intel, why would top field commanders let someone from the States just return back home?
What if as soon as one started showing interest in 'returning home' then person becomes 'marked'..and only a matter of time before disposed of by own side, but made to look like came from opposition.
Seems like ISIS recruits like all militaries, and play heavily on the young and dumb. But just like in U.S. or any other Government military, once in action it might not be all it's cracked up to be...but at least in most Western militaries when times up it's up, and you can resign.
But like a gang, not sure if one can ever truly resign from terrorist organization...cause once allowed in, you probably learn stuff that if shared could hurt them.
If you're fighting for, with, people, an organization that is 'bad' and ruthless, and shows no mercy, why would one expect them to show mercy on them when they realize 'I don't want to be here anymore?'
I doubt they do, and can't just see ISIS letting, or allowing Western fighters from Brit or America to just casually leave when they've had enough.
That's not how ruthless regimes operate.
They pretty much want you there until you're dead, or in their minds they win.
And could see them sending Western gullable types on the most dangerous missions, instead of sending their own.
Basically disposable fighters who if they die in battle...'Oh well, they were American anyways'.
Kind of like the Italian mob, or any other crime organization, you can't just leave when you feel like it.
Young people from the West who think life in the desert, being shot at is fun, are nieve, and are only responding to headline clips of triumphant militia marching into small towns with machinge guns in the air.
Like a movie trailer or something where often the trailer is the best part of the movie, and it goes down from there.
Not sure how wise it is to pledge alliance with any group that simply sees you as a disposable piece of meat.
Last Edit: Jun 3, 2015 18:53:49 GMT -5 by X factor
CNN's news panel just asked question to audience 'What drives members of ISIS to such violence'.
It's you're panel of so called 'experts' that drives people mad, that every night, both Fox and CNN and all the other major news outlets have on as rotating guests.
And it's insulting to the masses, it really is, that these news shows think 'Experts' can actually speak for millions or know more about 'the streets' or how people are feeling in the streets than the actually people 'in the streets'...
It's this constant feeling of always being 'marginalized' 'reduced in value', not taken seriously, that collectively enrages so many.
But usually it's only the social fringe that actually reacts in a physical manner, cause they have nothing to loose and much to gain if they're successful.
This idea that we all need 'a expert', who lives behind Mansion wall or in gated community, to tell us about why we behave the way we do is absurd and insulting.
If you have to learn it from a book or classroom, than you're in no position to tell others what it's about.
If you want to know about ISIS, than go interview them...if you want to know about gangs, than go actually interview actually person in gang.
And so forth, don't have panel members from Harvard telling us, the viewers, what's really on their minds or what causes them to do what they do.
People are tired of being 'cut out', left on the outside, and groups like ISIS, gangs, outlaw organizations ect, have a very empowering effect on people, exspecially younger ones left outside the system.
It's the exact same emotional appeal athletic teams have to young athletes, or the military, or sororities, it gives them a sense of purpose and belonging where they just couldn't find it anywhere else.
And the very guests you have on you're shows are the very types who when not on show, hold their noses up to others do to their 'status'.
It's that separation...but you don't get it or ever will.
Or like Rambo said in his movie 'Who drew first blood?'.
The truth is America is good at starting wars, creating wars, then once people or nation we're attacking strikes back, then powerful business interests who control politicians say 'We're at war with such and such a group'.
But they never fill in the back story.
They never say 'Oh by the way, we just killed 250 of their personal, and that's why they're hostile to us'.
They conviently leave out back stories like that, and instead just make it seem as if these groups are mad, angry, at U.S. for no real apparent reason.
The very people, like Dick Cheney, and his 'class' of wealth, that want 'disposables' to go fight and die for his interests, are the very ones who shut the rest of us out of upper mobility.
And we only become '1' nation to them when we're needed to go and die for their cause, not ours.
I don't agree with ISIS, nor do I like their tactics, but I'd argue the case that all of America, every single American citizen is 'At war with ISIS'.
Rich business interests are at war with ISIS, not common peasants earning near minimum wage, and locked up in prisons for Jay walking.
The average American fears heavy handed local cops, police, more than they do ISIS.
Or gangs, or the IRS or a flurry of other entities that more immediately effect peoples lives in a negative way.
ISIS did not declare war on America, rather American politicians are trying to declare war on ISIS.
And then when ISIS fights back, politicians on Fox News, and Hannity say 'See, see, they're at war with us'.
That way young men and women can go die in the desert and feel like it was worth it I guess.
Whatever happens here on out, remember in the beginning ISIS wasn't at war with America, America was the last thing on their mind or charter, but once we started bombing them, killing them, than naturally they're going to want to strike back.
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Also, if an 'American' like force or nation had existed back during colonial days, they would have intervened and prevented European settlers from killing off the Native American populations and sending them to live on reservations.
Early American settlers behaved a lot like ISIS, back in the day.
Why ISIS continues to make gains, while driving off better equipped militaries
First off the experts don't know nothing, neither do news commentators on Fox and CNN or any other channel. They sit and make comments about others, other cultures, from their Ivy league lives, while the very people they consider 'simpletons' are the very ones taking over territory that normal society rejected and relegated to sweeping floors as a Janitor at some fancy Hotel for tourists.
Experts on TV don't know sh_t, and have never lived 'sh_tty' lives, as such don't understand how the underclass and deprived think and or operate.
Now back to the title of this post..Why does ISIS seem to thrive when organized militaries fighting them seem to fold and collapse?
1. ISIS fighters have been freed from their cages and have a much more relaxed command structure.
ISIS fighters are able to fight without first having to shift through layers and layers of commanders and politicians who all have different directives and fighting for votes back home.
With ISIS the directive is clear and simple...fight, fight to win at all costs...period.
In other words ISIS keeps it simple, and simple is better for the type of warfare they're waging.
2. Most ISIS fighters feel a sense of desperation in that either they win, or be persecuted, tortured if they do not. (retreat is not really a option with ISIS fighters)
In other words ISIS fighters really have no where to retreat to, so they're literally fighting for their lives at that exact moment. ISIS is not the type of organization where if a fighter gets tired or looses heart, can just take 'Leave', and go on vacation.
As such the ground fighters know that if they loose, enemy will get them, if they quit, ISIS will get them...so they fight out of desperation, which can be seen in how they battle.
(Some could even be on drugs the way Somalis were when they fought American troops in the streets back in the 90's..(black hawk down).
3. ISIS fighters aren't slowed down by any moral compass.
4. They're simply having fun. (a Ivy leaguer won't understand this) (Actually Ivy leaguers do understand the concept of 'fun' only they do it through fiscal conquest, buying out another bank, foreclosing on homes to make a profit, and other such white collar activities, Ivy leaguers love conquest also, they just do it within a system that rigged for them)
That may bother some, but unlike the soldiers they're fighting, the ISIS fighters just seem to be having fun, like it's a sporting event or something, a football game ect. (Things are happening quick which adds to their excitement)
In contrast when you look at coalition forces, it just seems like a paid job to them, no excitement, nothing, poor pay, low level in society, so there's really no 'fun' factor to it...
The ISIS fighters know that when they win, they're elevated to lofty positions, play important roles in whatever city, territory they conquer, and when younger, and deprived of relevance for so long, this can be exiting.
The whole adrenaline rush X games generational thing.
ISIS fighters believe sky's the limit to their potential and growth in their new society, now whether that's true or not is another thing, but many believe they're fighting to establish a place for themselves in the 'new world'.(they feel they're being given the opportunity to help engineer this new society)
Sorry but that's a lot more exiting than the reality of most military force members they oppose, who no matter how hard they fight, what the sacrifice, they'll still be at the lower end of the social ladder.
ISIS fighters believe that if they win they'll become Kings in their own providences, gold riches whatever.
That, along with all of the above and more, are great motivators and adds a fighting spirit to ISIS fighters that you just don't see from coalition forces.
Coalition fighters basically feel they're fighting for a large Government that really sees no value in them, fighting simply so the upper crust can maintain their positions ect.
Many Iraqi fighters feel either way it's a loose loose situation.
Other than being commanded and told what to do like ants, there is really nothing for coalition fighters to fight for...they may not say that, but feel that on the inside, and is why they lack enthusiasm.
ISIS fighters feel they're fighting for future Empire, coalition fighters feel they're fighting for a small pay check, and to remain in poverty while still remaining at lower end of social ladder...
With ISIS fighters every spoil of victory is there's, even down to the lowest man, in traditional militaries everything you find gets handed up to the command structure above them.
I'll continue this in more detail later, but ye, there's lots of phycology behind why ISIS fighters just seem driven like the wind.
Of course privileged people don't understand this cause they've never been down, not just temporarily down as in poor in a rich nation ect, but never been down as a matter of social class, caste.
So I don't expect a uppity type on Fox or CNN or any expert to understand any of this, but obviously it's occurring.
The uppity class only likes to take notes from themselves, while excluding anyone from the conversation whom they don't deem a academic 'expert' or degreed and so on.
And then wonder why the ranks of ISIS continues to swell, as it is the very class, uppity class, you see in leadership roles in Gov, or on TV, it is this very exclusive class that more and more people are starting to resent, and their system.
Many would rather die on the field fighting for what they believe, than remain an irrelevant nobody in certain other societies.
And it doesn't matter whether it makes sense to me and you, or whether it fits within our moral compass.
Another mistake the uppity class makes is always dismissing how another feels, simply cause 'not educated'.
Yet some of the most richest, powerful organizations on the planet were started and ran by what Ivy leaguers would consider 'uneducated class'.
The uneducated are smarter than Ivy leaguers think, and right now it's an 'uneducated' class of fighters that keeping the whole world at bay in the middle east.
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On an interesting note though, ISIS fighters aren't ready to take on Israel, nor do their commanders want them to...why?
Cause unlike other nations, Israeli fighters, like ISIS fighters, both fight with equal furiousity.
Israeli fighters fight like they're desperate, and they are as they're surrounded and told daily they're nation could end any day of the whole middle east turned on them, as such Israeli soldiers fight with the same desperation and furiousity that ISIS fighters do, only for different reasons.
Unlike other military's, like the U.S. ect, Israel's military has simple directive...fight to win, period.
Israel also has one identity, one purpose, and that is to survive as a Jew in their perceived homeland.
In the U.S. military or other large nation military's, every soldier is basically fighting for a different personal cause....come from different backgrounds, ethnic groups, even speak different languages often.
The only edge U.S. military really has right now is technology.
Politics is really dividing the U.S. right now...the whole right vs left thing is tearing nation apart, with Fox News attacking President daily on it's show...and other talk radio hosts.
White identity hate groups also sprouting up left and right do to citizens being unhappy with first ethnically mixed President.
ISIS fighters are far more unified, they feel they're fighting for their destiny, creating it as they go along, where as other soldiers they face don't really feel the same way about their role in their own societies.
It's hard to motivate people, military members, in this day and age, to risk their life, when many feel they just don't have a big stake in anything.
They fight, get injured, come back home, dismissed from military and treated shabby for rest of life.
Again there's lots of phycology behind warfare and why ISIS fighters and other such fighters tend to do better on battle field than better equipted militaries that come from bureaucracy ladened States where politics back home effect battle field decisions.