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Post by X factor on Sept 19, 2013 17:02:49 GMT -5
The main difference between how Republicans go about things, and Democrats go about things is how they treat the public. Republicans (at least since the rise of talk radio), feel somehow they can insult 60% of the voting public, insult the candidates they vote for, and expect to win big come election day. Democrats are a bit more clever in that instead of insulting, they try to embrace. As Republicans try to get more and more 'elite' within their ranks, Democrats strategy is to become more 'broad'. An example of this is the term 'Obama Care'...only the dumbest of dumb Rep/Con/talk radio host or anyone else who's against it, would use that term. Only one with a political IQ of '12' would use that term. The term 'Obama Care' instantly turns off 60% of people from listening to any argument against it. Why? Cause the term has partisanship written all over it, it smells, wreaks of partisan politics, interests. So when folks hear that term, they just scoff..."Oh, it's just those hateful, mean, nasty, cruel Rep types going after our President again" end hypothetical quote. The difference between a right wing, political hack...and someone who's truly concerned with this issue is as follows. Someone, a rational, none hateful to the bone, type of person, who really was concerned about Government over reach wouldn't use the term 'Obama Care'...but instead use the term 'mandated health coverage' or 'Forced health insurance'... Folks who use 'Obama Care'...don't really care about freedom, don't really care about principles, and don't really care about others...all they care about is expressing their bias towards the President out loud. Now someone who uses the term 'Mandated health care' or 'Forced health care'...they're concerned with all Americans, irregardless of political views or background. In fact someone who uses the term 'Mandated, or Forced health care' have basically removed all political references or preferences, and instead relay the concerns and fears of mandate health care is an economic fear, rather than just a 'I can't stand our President' type of babyish talk radio rant. By using the term 'Forced health care'...(without referencing any political party or politics at all), more people would take interest and be more willing to listen to arguments against it. But GOP types, led by ratings driven talk radio hosts are to dense, and blinded by their political rage, to see the error of their ways, and how many folks they turn off with that term. So instead they hold rallies, appear on each others talk radio shows, and throw around the term 'Obama Care' as if they're being so 'clever' and 'cute'...all the while shrinking their ranks. They're not being clever or cute by using that term, instead they're being dumb and dense...and it will come back to bite them, bite us all. Because Republicans, and even people like Bill Bennett are to stupid to see the error of their ways...to stupid to lay aside their political resentment towards the President, to explain the harmful effects of mandated health care with out always politicizing it... The dumb leading the dumb...and they wonder why the get slammed on election day...insult folks, call everyone stupid, then expect them to vote for you on election day... Way more to follow... |
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Post by X factor on Sept 19, 2013 17:09:56 GMT -5
Here's the thing...I happen to be against mandated health care...
Why?
1. Nothing should be forced onto others.
2. It's to big, massive to work.
3. Cause I'm a rebel and don't like being forced to do or pay for anything I don't want to.
4. This plan forces everyone to 'register'...to be traced, violation of privacy.
5. I can't afford another bill...
I've been living this long without wasting hundreds a month on health care...why am I being forced to get it now?
And I could go on and on and on...and will in following posts...
But my point is, my disdain for mandated health care has nothing to do with 'hate'...or 'hatred'...
My reasons for not liking mandated health care lean more towards personal rights and privacy.
As such, my arguments against it are more clean and genuine, and don't smell of partisan hack hatred.
News...even though I'm no GOP type or a political conservative or any of that dishonest fox news crap type of personality.
I would love for Forced health care to be reversed or go away...cause it's bad...
And Republicans politicians are just as guilty for it getting as far as it has, as is anyone else.
Lots more to follow...
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Post by X factor on Sept 21, 2013 21:31:49 GMT -5
'Obama care' is a meaningless term to most non political types, it sounds like a Teddy Bear or something...
But words like 'Forced' or 'Mandated' or 'Tracking' or 'Loss of freedom' ring a tone to all people, irregardless of political background, color gender or national identity.
And if GOP would express more of the 'forced' part, and leave out all the whiney 'I can't stand Obama or Democrats' rant, they might find more of the general public listening to their concerns.
But their hate seems to over ride any common sense..so sad.
Not only that...but GOP's real worst enemy is talk radio.
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Post by X factor on Oct 3, 2013 17:14:37 GMT -5
Sadly, I find myself aligned with many 'Obama hating political bigots' on this health care issue. But for totally different reasons. I don't like the idea of being forced to pay for something I don't want, forced to 'register' for something I don't need yet. When government forces money out of your pocket, under penalty of law or punishment..than there is no more freedom, and I value my freedom. A lot of people do...but many tune out the 'right' do to their history of hateful, spiteful, political and racial rhetoric against the President... Kind of like the guy you cried 'wolf' to many times...soon no one believes them when the true wolf, or true issue shows up...  We've all heard the 'Cry wolf' story growing up, about the hobbit who 'cried wolf' one to many times...and soon folks stopped taking them seriously until finally one day a true wolf did show up...and no one took them seriously anymore... And this is the effect the 'right' ...(and talk radio hosts) have had on the public. Because all they ever do is cry and complain just for the sake of crying and complaining about 'The Prez'...that when a real, legitimate issue comes up that effects the very freedom of the population, no one takes them seriously anymore, and just thinks it's just yet another right wing rant against the President and his administration... Let me state my stance real quick... 1. I have nothing against the President...(love thy neighbor)...I serve Christ, not talk show hosts or any political party. 2. That being said...I can't stand the idea of having money, funds, forced out of my pocket, by penalty of law. That's not Freedom...America was built on freedom of Government, not being a slave to it...where now the Government can force you to register and then forcebly take money away from you for something you don't want. 3. I'm not 'right wing'...to me 'right wing' is political and wordly, and pop culture... However...I was raised in the Pacific NW around mountain type of folks, rural types, survivalist types...independent types...and as such I have learned to value freedom and anonymity. And to me, this national health care tax, takes that away...in ways that are very creepy to me, that my instincts tell me is wrong...very wrong... 4. As such...I am 100% opposed to this forced health care plan... 5. I have no issues with folks wanting healthcare...or it being 'free' for those who need it...I just don't think those who don't need or want it, should be forced to sponsor it. 6. I would have less issue with it if it were voluntary....let those who want it participate...and tax them, but not the rest of us. There...that's my stance... But my stance has nothing to do with politics, or 'Obama baaaaad, Rep goooood' pop right wing talk radio pap. My stance has to do with 'loving' my freedom and anonymity, mine, and that of others in this nation. Unlike ratings driven talk radio hosts...my interest is for all...not just those on 'the right' or 'the left' but for all people of reason, who value their freedom. I don't get paid to deliberately polarize, split, divide the nation, for ratings, like Bill Cunningham or Rush or Hannity do.As such I have much better credibility...cause my opinion is not based on politics, or hate, or racism, or profit...my opinion of this health care tax, is based on concern for our future as a nation. Concern for our privacy and freedom to live, exist, and be left alone. The 'hateful' right has really messed this one up...if they weren't so 'talk radio'ish'...they could have convinced a lot more people of their argument. Now most just simply tune them out, cause they have 'politicized their principles'... Principles should never ever be politicized... Cause most aren't political...most simply respond to the words and sentiment that come out of your mouth. And if they since you're objecting to 'Forced health care' simply cause you 'hate' the President...they simply tune you out and fail to see the true horrors of this force plan. If only the right would spend less time insulting the public, and more time educating, on some issues, at least this one, they would have more support. Instead of 40% support...they could have 80% support, from people they have no idea are out here. President Obama is successful cause he uses 'sugar' to lure folks to him... The right fails cause they use salt... And it's the 'rights' falt...talk radio's fault...that there's not more public outcry over this forced health care plan...simply cause they 'cried wolf' to many times... And now when true wolf shows up...no one takes them serious...wow...  National Health care plan = wolf in sheep's clothing...beware all... |
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Post by X factor on Oct 5, 2013 15:33:42 GMT -5
This indeed is odd for me...
I don't like forced health care, and all the garbage that comes with it...loss of anonymity.
Yet, I don't particularly like the tactics or attitude of the 'right'...at least the 'talk radio profit driven right'...
I'm not a hate Obama fox news zombie type...yet I see the dangers in forced healthcare tax.
I could make more convincing arguments against it than the right...but if I do, folks will think I'm on the right...
Odd situation to be in...
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Post by X factor on Oct 5, 2013 15:38:50 GMT -5
I value my freedom above and beyond anything else...
I value my freedom more than any political parity identity...
I even value my freedom more than I do my health.
And I don't like the idea of being forced to give up a sizable portion of my income, to pay for something I don't need or want.
Once you're forced to do something, you're no longer free...
But my objection to 'Forced health care tax' has nothing to do with 'hating the Pres'...
Or being a bigot, or some paranoid communist type.
I'm never wrong...Because I'm not political...I see things with clarity...
And this national forced taxed health care...where they gather all your personal information...is very very bad....
It's just sad the 'right' couldn't explain it better.
The rights bigotry has forced many to tune them out..
The right, should spend more time education, and less time insulting others, and using brazen talk radio tactics that divide the populace instead of teaching it...
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Post by X factor on Oct 15, 2013 17:49:43 GMT -5
The term 'Obama care' and talk show host 'Rush Limbaugh' and 'Hannity' and the likes, assure victory for 'Forced health care'. Since they lead all issues, and stories with hurtful, insulting sarcasm, aimed at 'The American populace, or various peoples within'...(a good chunk of the voting block), that when they do actually hit upon a legitimate issue of concern, no one takes them serious. Now If I know this, you don't think they do??? You don't think they know, understand, the counter effect they have on all elections, and popular issues? Because profit driven talk show hosts, like Rush Limbaugh, have chosen to take front and center stage away from elected GOP types, any attempt on their part to educate the masses will be muted. You can't lead with hateful, coded, racial, political rants, cultural rants, and then expect the people you spend all your time insulting, 'Low information voters' ect...to be slightly interested in anything you have to say. These talk show hosts are the reason the GOP is in the shape it is today....not the Democrats, but the profit driven talk show hosts, who put show ratings, and bizzare personalities above the good of their own party, and even above the good of the nation. |
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Post by X factor on Oct 16, 2013 16:44:44 GMT -5
I told you..did I not tell you, that as long as people continue to use the term 'Obamacare', that the true horrors of it will never be known by most.
Again the term 'Obama care' sounds..
1. Way to partisan...childish name calling type stuff.
2. Sounds like a harmless teddy bear, or gummy bear reference.
3. Fails to relay to people what it really is.
People who are opposed to this implication, yet who use that term, are very dense....
Or are just all working for the same under government.
Cause If I know this about that term...wouldn't you think they would to?
They're either dense, or they are deliberately putting up a fake fight, pretending to be against this plan.
Cause once they're in power again, then they, the GOP will become recipients of this new forced tax....
A politician is a politician...
But according to talk radio hosts...one set of politicians, elected millionares, are better than the other...ye ok...keep listening to Rush...
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Post by X factor on Oct 18, 2013 15:22:19 GMT -5
Almost everyone I know is against 'forced' anything...or forced financial penalties'...and fees...
But hardly anyone I know is against 'Obama care'....
But sadly only the insightful will understand that...
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Post by X factor on Oct 20, 2013 13:29:50 GMT -5
If Rep/Con's had spent less time leading every argument with blind rage and hate towards the President...  And more time explaining to people the consequences of this new forced health tax..then maybe they'd have more support... But they are to 'dense'...and think using the term 'Obamacare' some how insults the President. Truth is it promotes the President and it promotes forced health care. Anyone who claims to be against 'Forced health tax' or 'forced health tax penalty' yet uses the term 'Obama Care' is hyper dense...hyper dense. The term 'Obama care' congers up images of... 1. A soft cuddly teddy bear...  2. Gummy bears...  3. And soft bubbles...  1, 2, and 3, are what the term Obama care congers up in peoples minds...something harmless, all inviting, soft and caring... Where as terms like.. Forced medical insurance, or Forced tax penalty, or 'Forced to pay $300.00 extra a month, or 'forced new super high deductables', or 'Penalized' ect ect... If GOP had used terms like that...then the image they would of conjured up would have registered with more people and looked more like this...  Shackled...I mean who wants to dig in their pocket and pay more money for something they already had, or never needed? If GOP hadn't led with blind rage and hate towards President, and instead led with genuine concern for a bad policy..(at least as written), then maybe their message would of resignated with more, thus they would of had more public support, had they spent more time explaining the details, rather than just saying over and over again...'Obama baaaaaaad'.... Maybe GOP should stop taking notes, and following after the example of shock jock ratings driven talk show hosts like Limbaugh and Hannity...who just seem to drive a deep wedge between all people of common sense and decency. These talk show hosts make a living on dividing the public...by alienating one citizen from another with their constant labeling and name calling. With the broad generalizations...that do nothing more than build distrust of neighbor from neighbor... And they do this simply to keep their shows relevant... Self serving talk show hosts sucking life out of GOP, and votesEveryone understands 'forced', everyone understands 'penalty'...but 'Obama care'...sounds like a fluffy pillow or something. This issue should of never been 'politicized'...cause it's not a political issue...it's not a 'Dem vs Rep' issue...it's a freedom issue, a financial issue...a possible fraud issue. Gop politicians and talk show hosts are to dense to realize that...and instead made it 'We hate the President' issue...thus instantly turning off 50-70% of normal non political types who may have listened... I'm highly disappointed in the GOP...and the fact they keep using the term 'Obama Care'... Maybe they're doing it on purpose...cause maybe they figure they'll be in control again soon, and want the revenue...who knows... |
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Post by X factor on Oct 24, 2013 16:05:38 GMT -5
What bugs me about talk radio personalities...is that they think everyone is dumb, and needs them to 'clarify' issues...
Like the disaster national forced health insurance would be.
They don't think anyone can come to that conclusion independently of politics...well I did.
Common sense and principles has nothing to do with electorial politics.
And there's many out there, like myself, who don't need political influence to come to logical conclusions about issues.
I don't need to 'hate' President Obama either, to know that this forced health insurance was a bad idea.
Hate, bigotry, none of that, contributed to my conclusion about National health insurance.
Talk radio hosts tend to think you must be under the umbrella of extreme right or left politics, or you basically don't exist.
Hannity and Rush and Savage, and Levin, have never clarified anything in my mind...zero.
They've added nothing to what I know or already knew to be true.
And I can only question the IQ of those who rely on clownish, ratings driven talk show host to enlighten them on anything...as I would with those who look to Howard Stern for enlightenment.
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Post by X factor on Nov 13, 2013 15:15:13 GMT -5
 If Government controlled health insurance service is anything like the DMV...tax collectors office, or any other Government ran office...expect to be placed on hold forever...and passed on, and around to people who are short tempered, arrogant, and who have no sense of urgency... It's going to be a mess..nothing but voice mail, push this button, that button...what a nightmare... |
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Post by X factor on Mar 31, 2014 16:36:47 GMT -5
I still think there's something gross about being forced to shell out an extra $150-$400 in insurance...I think it's gross.
Know how much that adds to rent? other expenses?
What's with this everyone freaking out over health care BS?
Why can't more folks just take care of health by eating right, and exercising?
It's like they're trying to frighten everyone into believing that if you don't get health care, that you're doomed, that the very next day something catastrophic will occur and you'll loose everything.
It's like a scare tactic.
Just more money sucked out of your pocket, makes it that harder to save if you're a low income earner.
And then what's really sinister is if you don't sign up by today, you can't get coverage until next open enrollment date, a year from now.
So for a whole year, you're left wide open and vunerable...to me that's sinister...it's like 'either sign up or die' or 'sign up and if you get sick, go banctrupt'...
Not even Russia is that dern strict.
Forced to buy health care or forced to do without any...sinister I tell you...
Useless Republicans did nothing to stop this forced policy.
All they did was cry on talk radio, waste valuable time 'hating' and 'bickering' instead of informing...
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Post by X factor on Mar 31, 2014 17:12:36 GMT -5
 Now see, I'm da boss, so eithas ya'zz sign up for our health care plan, or take a walk!Sorry, but this is what forced health care feels like to me.. It's like either you sign up, or for a whole year, unless you meet 'qualifying' circumstances, than you can't get health insurance...heck, that almost sounds like blackmale, extortion. I mean if the Mob or Cartel did that, they'd be arrested...straight up. Republicans did a poor job at fighting this, all they did was hate on the President, which just turned millions off from anything else thy had to say. If they had behaved more 'balanced', they would have had more credibility with people, and more would have listened and then maybe understood magnitude of this forced law, and how it cruely Punishes those who don't want, or can't afford health insurance right now. Lots of Insurance agents will get rich tonight!As millions scramble at last minute to sign up for any kind of coverage, and many will get exploited today also as agents are to over whelmed to answer phones, so many are forced to go to websites, where they're corralled along, forced to fill out information templates, give credit card numbers ect, and never even talk to live operator. This situation is ripe for fraud... And no one but me is talking about it this evening. |
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Post by X factor on Apr 5, 2014 19:02:59 GMT -5
What I'm about to express will not be a very popular view. But in my opinion health care is way way over rated. To me it's a racket, a billion dollar racket. For centuries, millennia, humans, man, women, societies, have lived and died on this planet without 'healthcare', and now suddenly within the last 40 years or so, it's a must have. Everyone has been brainwashed into thinking they must have health care, that their lives just aren't complete, whole, unless they have Health Insurance. And yet people still die, perish, when it's time for them to go. The only thing health insurance does is insure that before you, we, go, our money transfers from our hands, to the hands of others. In the past, even in the beginning of this Nation here, America...  There were no centralized hospitals to run to every time someone got the sniffles, or the flu, or even if someone broke their leg or arm... In the past, common ordinary people knew how to medically treat the sick, injured or ill.No one in 1812 had health insurance, cause back then medicine was taught, learned, practiced in the home. (Same with the Indians and other tribal communities). But somehow people have been brainwashed to stop learning stuff for self, and run to Doctor everytime something goes wrong...society has been conditioned to do that, in order to feed a billion dollar medical and drug industry, where illnesses are treated caused by artifiscal foods and pollutants, that weren't there 100 years ago. Like a self sustained loop or something. People get diabetes cause they eat junk food, lots of sugar, that wasn't apart of diet 100 years ago. So it's like live, eat, swallow everything in site, then run to doctor so they can tell you common sense things your great grandparents already knew. In the past, you break your leg or arm, your Uncle would fix it, or Mom or Dad or Brother or Neighbor, now days we run to hospital, cause we have lost those skills. The more helpless we become, the more we forget the ways of our ancestors (Whether European or African or Asian or Indian), the more exploited we are, the more vunerable we become to big Enterprises. Strip people of their knowledge and they will become helpless, brainwashed to run to doctor for every little ailment instead of learning how to treat self, or avoiding lifestyle that leads to ailment to begin with. So now this medical industry feeds off of the ignorance of most. Oh well, just thought I'd share that. |
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