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Post by X factor on Mar 29, 2015 13:22:21 GMT -5
New Indiana Law allows legal discrimination against 'Gay's on religious grounds Odd how Jesus always emphasized 'Come as you are', where as modern day Earth bound, flesh bound humans who claim to know 'Jesus' always emphasize 'First change to our approval, or color, or gender or views, then we might accept you...oh and also change to our political party and or ideology'...  What a contrast of spirits here. I presume most who would willingly not serve 'gays' in their establishment are doing so on religious ground, more than likely Christianity in Indiana. (Over seas it would be Muslims) Also, if one reads the bible, new testament, one realizes that the whole point of the Gospels was to evangelize, to 'spread the word', through action, behavior and teaching, and Love was suppose to be the driving force behind this. But modern day politicized Christians seem to have forgotten that, and instead allow their flesh based bigotry to effect their interaction with others. Modern day politicized Christians seem to have already shut the door to salvation on others, and have already decided who is and who isn't fit for Heaven. I mean what better place to demonstrate 'Christ's love for humanity' than be treating all with respect and dignity and allowing them to see a difference in ones life and demeanor. That use to be how it was done, not anymore it seems. If there is a devil, I'm sure this plays right into his play book, and only helps drive more people away from religion. Also, how exactly do you tell someone is gay while walking into a establishment? Do you ask them.. 'Hey, are you gay, cause you look like you might be?'... I mean is there a certain way a gay person walks, or combs hair? Also establishment will refuse those they think are gay, on religious grounds but admit...  'If you're gay, stay away, but if you cheat on your taxes, welcome; if you fornicate before marriage, welcome; if you just robbed a bank, welcome; if you abuse animals, welcome; if you lie, steal and cheat, welcome; if your an alcoholic, welcome we have a special on drinks; if you use drugs, welcome; if you're a serial killer, welcome; if you're a suicide bomber, welcome.....and I could go on and on, point being there's no way to know the motives or lifestyles of any number of customers who walk in the door to a business, that only seems to want to discriminate or refuse service to people who they think might be gay, yet that seems to be the only 'sin' such places are bothered by. One could do any other type of 'sin', and as long as it doesn't disrupt business, they could care the less, yet some how they think someone being 'gay' will, disrupt their business that is. I mean why not just refuse to serve to all unsaved sinners, on religious grounds, that way you cover the whole gauntlet of sins. The world is strange, human bias and bigotry make it even stranger.
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Post by X factor on May 25, 2015 13:38:46 GMT -5
If God never changes, than most worshipping God today would be in error compared to how God was worshipped and perceived 80, 300,1000 years ago
This kind of proves my point in that God doesn't evolve man, rather man evolves God as times and views change.
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Post by X factor on May 30, 2015 18:42:28 GMT -5
The way man has sculptured God, to me is like a human standing over ants, and the ants killing and fighting each other to carry out the 'will' of me or you.  Millions of these ants fighting over the centuries over what they think me or you, their master wants of them. But here's what I don't get, if I'm standing over the ants, a billion times bigger and stronger than them, what makes them think they can do for me what I can't do for myself? I mean if I'm 'God' (to the ants) and really wanted 'my will' carried out, don't they realize I have the power to do it anytime I want, and don't need them fighting over me? I guess not. And if I'm 'God' why would I always hide myself from the ants? And over time, centuries, each ant, ant colony begins developing different ideas of what I look like and what I want of them. Give sermons about me, us, even though none of the ants have ever met me or us. I mean if I'm 'God', and ants are beneath my feet on Earth, I really don't need ants shuffling around, fighting, trying to clear space for my return, if indeed I'm God, or the creator, I think I'd dern well return when I felt like it, not when the ants prepared a dirt hill for me. I don't know. It's just all a bit weird at times. |
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Post by X factor on May 30, 2015 22:13:10 GMT -5
I mean who doesn't really want there to be a 'God'?, some kind of ultimate divine justice? The only people who really wouldn't want that are those who are truly evil and scheme against others. But if one has a clean conscious, not perfect life but clean conscious..(there's a difference). But if one has a clean conscious, is fair, just, than naturally one would be thrilled to meet such a larger version of self, a more powerful version of self. And maybe to many, that's all God is, is a more powerful version of self. And looking back at history, and how cultures have defined 'God divine' that's usually how God is depicted is as being a larger version of the society that worships him. I mean no one really worships a God that they don't perceive to be like them, share their sense of justice and so forth, and or even share their own physical traits. And that's what scares me. It scares me to think after all these years people have simply been recreating God, a God, in their own image. Just like Hollywood, I mean whatever nation or peoples are directing the biblical story of Moses ect, the cast members selected always represent the dominant culture.  I mean if God is that easy to change and manipulate, than that further makes me wonder. I'm not hostile against the idea of there being a Loving God, in fact I really hope there is one. But I also realize his since of justice might not be my own. Many people can't come to terms with that. Most simply think God is a larger version of self or culture, beyond that they don't want to really imagine what God might be like. |
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Post by X factor on Jun 2, 2015 2:00:05 GMT -5
I often wonder how come the people who were healed by Jesus, as told in the bible, didn't chronicle their experience? I mean bible writers told about how they were healed by Jesus, but the people themselves, once healed, didn't seem to write it down anywhere.  I mean would not all these people that were healed, witnessed healing, would not they have then gone away and written about it, talked about it? It's just human nature to talk about, write about, to brag about what we experience, and experiencing a real life miracle, such as healing, surely would have given forth to many writings during that time, the event of miracles should of been recorded by more people than just bible writers. Like gossip. I don't know, maybe it did and all such records just got destroyed. Did not people keep personal journals back then? Were there not news papers of some sort? Or would it all have gotten destroyed when that part of the world was overturned do to conquest by others. And or how healed were they? I mean if the hand of God touches you, did Jesus heal that person of all germs, future illness as well as one they're afflicted with at moment? Or did he just heal them of whatever was making them sick at that moment? And is anyone truly healed unless they can over come death? It just seems there's a lot of questions, people even back then, would have, but didn't seem to ask Jesus, not just about salvation, but the science behind healing, and other things about planet. The people in the bible just seem very simple minded, the way bible writers portray them. I mean if I really thought I was walking next to God, questions would just keep pouring out. Questions about the Universe, life, death, the mind, mathematics. And if God healed me physically, I wouldn't just walk away and go home. But the bible writers do say how great crowds did follow him around everywhere, that part seems plausible. I mean if the Beatles had large crowds, I know Jesus would have. Jesus always said 'Have faith' to those he healed. So I wonder if 'having faith' gives one the ability to tap into that same healing power today? I suppose people have played with these thoughts and notions for centuries. |
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Post by X factor on Jun 2, 2015 2:08:13 GMT -5
Just because one asks questions, doesn't mean they doubt, it just means they think
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Post by X factor on Jun 4, 2015 19:03:21 GMT -5
Sometimes I think 'God' or 'The Gods' may not have the nature most people think they do I mean what if 'God', the creator, creators ect, has more the nature of the two rich men in the movie 'Trading places'What if the nature of 'God' is more like the Duke brothers...Randolph and Mortimer, where they have simply placed a cosmic bet on how man will act, respond, and evolve based on different stages of development, different physical stimuli, different characteristics. Maybe they're seeing how different people with different characteristics interact with one another. Then 'Ok, I'm bored, lets throw in some technology and see how man reacts on Earth now'...which would have began around 150 years ago or so. Maybe there is no salvation after death, maybe we're all just apart of some cosmic divine Duke Brothers bet, over like 1 dollar, like in the movie Trading places. And once we humans, do whatever the other thought we would or wouldn't, then they simply end experiment and move onto something else, another cosmic project.
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Post by X factor on Jun 13, 2015 3:54:58 GMT -5
A also often wonder why seems most everyone always thinks, projects, their deceased relatives to heaven?
With comments such as
'I know they're looking down on me from Heaven'
or
'I had a dream, and they spoke with me from heaven'
And so forth.
As if Heaven, which is a very generic term for paradise after death, is justsome how reserved for 'your family'.
And it don't matter if people are religious or not, or of different religious affiliation, seems everyone always projects their loved ones or friends into 'heaven'...no matter how they lived or what they believed, as if even if a unrepentant thief or liar, or hateful racist, or a moral less street thug, all people end up going to some generic heaven.
So now they're still evil, only now have super human abilities and immortality.
Does that make sense?
So now you got all these souls drifting around in heaven, billions, who couldn't get along on Earth, of all colors, generations, now supposedly getting along in heaven?
Racists from 1839 greeting and getting along with a black civil rights generation person, getting along with a Chinese monk and so forth.
I mean even radical Islam projects marytar's into Islamic heaven.
Heaven this, Heaven that, some even project their pets into heaven after pet passes away.
I don't want myth or self serving projection.
I want reality.
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Post by X factor on Jun 24, 2015 0:06:58 GMT -5
If God ultimately forgives, than why is there a hell? With all this 'just forgive' stuff in the news lately, people forgiving others cause they say the God they worship demands it. Than what is hell for? If God ultimately forgives, is so forgiving, than why is there a hell? Something doesn't add up here. .
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Post by X factor on Jul 5, 2015 12:28:03 GMT -5
When one here's the words 'We must return to God'
If one is honest with self, honest beyond self, and observes mans interpitation of 'God' over the last 6000 years, one has to realize that interpitation has changed depending on which society is doing the interpitation and ruling over others at the time.
Which society has ever risen up, and not believed 'God' was on their side?
Which one?
In fact what group of even 5 people or more, have gotten together, done well, and not mentioned 'God must be on our side'.
What sports team hasn't done that?
Going back in history though, if nations, who back then, said 'God is on our side', how come the things they did back then would seem so abharent today?
Or you can simply look over in the middle East today, North Central Africa, and see people committing gross acts of cruelty, and feeling perfectly justified cause 'God is on our side'.
Makes you want to vomit, how many Gods that have been created in mans image.
It seems one persons God is another persons or cultures tormentor.
Even when I hear politicians proclaim...'We must return to God', I'm really not sure what God they're referring to anymore.
Are they refereeing to a god that favors them, and their political vision?
If that's the case than immediately their 'god' becomes opposed to 80% or more of rest of population and gods they have created in own personal interest.
America succeeds, for now, simply cause the Government is set up to not allow any one persons 'God' to rule the Universe and dictate law over others.
When it comes to Government, secular Governments seem to do best.
Saddam's Government was secular, brutal but secular, as such many different peoples of different beliefs were able to exist within his Government.
Now look over there.
It has turned into a blood bath as people, groups, try to impose 'their god' as ruler over others, and seem to make up rules daily that justify brutalizing populations.
Just not sure who or what God is anymore, other than a distant creator, or creators who planted the seeds of life on Earth, and then backed away really far to see how this experiment develops.
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Post by X factor on Jul 26, 2015 2:00:54 GMT -5
I listened to the last 40 minutes or so of the Jim Jones audio.
It was so disturbing I took it down
The way people willingly went, or trapped into going, they really had no choice, I mean in jungle 1000's of miles away from home and Jim Jones, the cult leader, had armed guards assuring no one escaped.
When you listen to audio it's like a bad dream you can wake up from, I mean if there.
A few followers tried reasoning with him but to no avail, and near the end his tone changes, he starts getting cranky, grouchy and is like 'Can we just get on with it, you 've had a good life'.
Deranged man indeed.
Then you hear some saying he was working with CIA and other conspiracy theories.
Just odd.
Others say in photos, if you look at his body, he's seen in 3 different sets of clothing after already dead.
Odd stuff, cause in audio you're hearing exactly what people there heard less than an hour before their departure from this world.
It's as if you're there to, and you can hear people, hobbits, moaning, screaming in background.
It will turn your gut.
And it will make you extra weary of being brainwashed.
It will make you not want to follow no one, and you'll see similarities between Jim Jones followers and popular radio hosts of today, and or how people call up and heap praise upon talk radio hosts they don't even know.
You have secular prophets to, not all prophets have to be religious based.
You also hear Jim Jones and others in audience begin to curse near the end, swearing, saying 'god_mit' and so on.
Near the end of the peoples temple in Giana, you begin to see the demons come out of people.
It's horrific.
Never allow another person to brainwash you.
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Post by X factor on Jul 26, 2015 2:29:39 GMT -5
 Originally, as paper says above, 400 were reported killed in Guyana at Jonestown. But later on the number increased by 500. So today if you read how many died in Guyana, it's 900, even wiki links says that here >>> linkI've read a weird theory about the rise in body count, that had to do with Guyana wanting to dispose of extra bodies in unrelated conflict, and would explain why many body's were never identified.. Some odd things happened down there. |
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Post by X factor on Jul 26, 2015 2:36:55 GMT -5
 Interesting that the vast majority of people attracted to Jim Joneses cult like personality were women of color. And even today some of the most loyal church goers in urban churches are women of color, usually single, I want to explore this more later. Now is later...added content. As I watched, listened to this sickening man convince people they should lay down life for him, couldn't help but noticing that the majority of his followers were black females. Some of the black females can be heard refereeing to Jim Jones as 'Dad' or 'Father'... Some could be heard saying, before they swallowed cyanide poison, 'You were the only father figure I ever had'. How sad and revealing. Satan, the Devil, a Demon, was the closet thing they had to a real Father. The majority of people sucked into Jim Jones cult were urban black females...  And do we not see, witness, this same phenomena today in many urban churches, that are filled with single black women, mothers? Single black female women seem to either turn to Church or Government as a substitute for a man or stability. The majority of those who drank the Kool-Aid that day were black females. This needs to be examined more closely in up coming posts! |
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Post by X factor on Jul 26, 2015 12:52:24 GMT -5
Rest in peace
So sad and tragic...can't believe so many don't even know about this...
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Post by X factor on Jul 27, 2015 4:16:34 GMT -5
I can't get this monsters known as 'Jim Jones' out of my mind now.  There's one photo where he has on shades, light shades, and you can see the death gaze in their eyes just beneath the lightly shaded lenses. His eyes had a gaze death to them, it's sick to look at, especially in hindsight knowing that he knew all along that he was leading his congregation off a cliff... I even find him sicker than Hitler, why? Cause for Hitler to have done what Jim Jones did would be equivalent to Hitler asking all of Germany to commit suicide, as he presided over it. It would be like Hitler sitting there watching every German die, while speaking in loud speaker assuring them that there was no other option. Hitler was bad, but he (in his mind) was fighting enemies, and those he did order 'gone' he did so at a distance, in that he wasn't there to over see it, doubt he could of stomached it. Where as Jim Jones presided over the slaughter of those who trusted him, those who trusted their lives to him, those who thought he was looking out for them. Ultimate evil is to mislead those who trust you, and he willingly led them to the grave. He could of just put himself to sleep, if he really loved those people he would not have harmed them. You don't harm those you love. I listened to final hour in Jonestown Guyana as he gave final death serman, and it's one of the most sickening things I've ever heard in my whole life, and now regret listening to it on youtube. I wish I'd never heard it, I wish I'd never heard what all those people themselves heard less than an hour before offing themselves with belief they were doing the right thing. In truth it was his life that was collapsing, not there's. The world was imploding on him, not there's, many of those people were genuinely happy, and had no idea 24 hours earlier that they'd be asked to lay down their lives, but he did, cause he planned for it ahead of time, him and his armed hench men. So when he held his final meeting, and asked if there was any opposing opinions, he already knew they were all going to die, but made them feel as if they still had a choice in the matter. And one women, one woman with sense, did step up to the mic and ask 'Why?'...she asked 'why?' in many ways. It's one of the most haunting things you'll ever hear, like some town hall meeting of death. I wish I'd never heard it, and then you could hear possessed people in the crowd booing her, like demons from hell possessing certain members of the audience to make it seem all were for Jim Jones. There's a similar scene in scripture where the bible says demons had infiltrated certain members of the crowed that shouted for the crucifixion of Jesus. People are like that you know, if they hear misc voices behind them going along with what they know to be wrong, people tend to keep quiet out of fear of standing out. And speaking of Jesus, I also noticed in that final death speech he gave there was no mention of Jesus, God, heaven or anything. In Jim Jones last death speech he was basically saying he was a god, their god, or a prophet. There was no mention of Jesus, the bible or anything, that to was very telling and creepy.  The man was truly twisted, I mean even powerful dictators don't put to death those they have an affection for. Towards end of his death speech, you can hear him getting darker and darker, more grouchy. 'Come on, can we just get on with it!'As a few others in crowd tried reasoning their way out of it, still thinking they could change his mind. And as listening to his death speech you could tell it was already under way, as he was speaking the administering of the cyanide had already begun. So as he was speaking, people were dropping dead, yet he still continue to speak, give his sermon of death. And it was done in orderly way as if people lining up to receive vaccines at a local clinic or something. Those administering the toxic drinks were like demonic nurses or something. There's no worse example of humanity than what one observes at Jonestown. Most people, when they kill, are killing another or others they don't like, or think want to harm them, that's how it's rationalized in the mind. But Jim, and his nurses of death, were killing people they new were not their enemies. It don't get no worse than that.  |
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