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Post by X factor on Nov 17, 2013 9:57:35 GMT -5
Openly gay vs 'DL' or 'Closet' typesTo me, if you're going to be gay, than just be gay... And be happy about having same sox or bi-soxual attractions.. Being physically attracted to someone, or others, doesn't mean it has to be in a yogarted way or manner. You can look at someone, or something, and be drawn to it for a variety of reasons... least of those, perversion. I've met, dialogued, with many open gay/lesbian people, and the ones who are surface about it, honest, are some of the best people you'll ever meet in as far as honesty goes and intent. Cause they hide nothing...if they're attracted to you...they tell you... 'Oh, you're cute' or 'I like your bod'...what I'm saying is honesty keeps them 'clean'... You know where they stand and they know where you stand...it's very simply. It's the so called 'closet' or in the hood they call it 'DL' (down low) types, that are twisted as hell. Unlike surface gays, or bi-soxuals, or people who openly see nothing wrong with finding beauty in all genders... Closet or 'DL' types equate their same sox attraction with explicit soxual acts and behavior...they have turned their orientation into something ugly and dark...have been told that it's ugly and dark, and so relate to it that way, and relate to others they're attracted to in a ugly and dark way. And you can tell this by the adds they run on C/L and other areas. They're some of the grossest adds you'll ever read...where it's all about 'meat'...and nothing else...very cold, discreat, encounters desired...no love, no affection, just 'meat'... Why? Cause that's how they've been trained or conditioned to relate to their same sox attractions, in a dirty, back alley type of manner.... With people like this...everything has to take place in the dark, in secrecy, both externally and internally...they learn to hide their true intent, and thus learn the art of dishonesty... It's a bad way to live...and it's a bad thing to do to self. Act normal by day, lust like a mad dog at night, and try to find others to live out their fantasies with. (this is not just a gay thing, hetrosoxuals do it to)(affairs and other odd stuff)... And it's born from induvsuals who live in an environment where they have been taught to be extremely ashamed, embarraced of, thoughts of same sox attraction...expecially in tough urban neighborhoods, or rural redneck country ones...where males are expected to be these tough alpha dog types...and any deviating from that role gets you ostracized, picked on and harassed. So many males who develop same sox or bi-sox attraction in these enviornments, are ripe to become the C/L posters on the m4m section. The best way to describe the 'm4m' section on C/L is that they are gays who hate the fact that they're gay, but feel they still need an outlet for their passions. They have totally reduced their same sox attraction to nothing more than meat slapping. They have reduced their same sox attraction to the most basic of physical interaction as you can get...dark hotel room type stuff...and once activity is over 'Hey you, get the hell out of here, and I don't ever want to see you again!!'... All the guilt and shame enters, the anger...the frustration...but at least they got their fix...until next time...until the urge builds up again. Continued on next post...
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Post by X factor on Nov 17, 2013 10:21:11 GMT -5
The types who post on C/L m4m or w4w or other none traditional relationships... Are the harshest proponents against 'gays' in public... They go out of their way to dress 'standard'...or tough or whatever their environment deems 'normal'...they are the best pretenders on the planet...frustrated, anxious and confused about their attraction to others. People like this come from no tolerance or zero tolerance enviornments...where no discussion of inner emotions or feelings are allowed....ever...so from an early age, they learn to hide it, like a dark little secret that just keeps festering. This is what happens when you're taught to deal with everything in black or white, in moral extremes, instead of shades. Most people who are closet gays or 'D/L' gays, aren't really even gay, but confuse their attraction to all, to being gay. If allowed to express their natural feelings all along...most of them would be well adjusted people by now and would have properly filed their temporary or misunderstood same sox attraction into the proper category of human relations. But instead they're told from early on that any type of same sox attraction means your gay and going to hell, and are damned. Guys so uptight that they're to afraid to call, or admit, another guy is cute or soxy..cause 'Oh no, if I do that than I must be gay...oh no!' Women so uptight that they're to afraid to call, or admit, another woman is cute, or soxy..cause 'Oh no, if I do that, than I must be lesbian...oh no!'. Thus begins the art of hiding, and relating to ones natural feelings as 'gross'...and therefore others I'm attracted to must be gross. "And if these others, whom I'm attracted to make me feel this way, than I'll take out my revenge on them in a dark hotel room somewhere"... Therapy and having open honest discussions about ones wide range of soxual feelings or desires, would go a lot further in helping and healing people than dark hotel rooms on 85th and Tarzan St. But discussions aren't allowed... Church Pastors are close minded as hell, thus drive many of their members to dark hotel rooms at night. Even some church Pastors end up going to the hotel rooms at night, as recent headlines reveal. Cause no one is honest about how they feel on the inside, thus never learn to properly interpit their feelings. Not all same sox attraction has to lead to the bedroom, nor does all same sox attraction mean one is gay or lesbian. A lot of people in that lifestyle now, would never be there...if only they were able to talk about their emotions and feelings out loud, open, and honestly... But instead were driven into the darkness, where others with bad intent, exploited their confusion.
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Post by X factor on Nov 17, 2013 11:31:10 GMT -5
You can kind of compare it to wine drinking in Europe... In Europe, there is no legal drinking age...so many, not all, but many, grow up drinking in moderation... Since it was never forbidden, there's never a desire to 'binge drink' or 'splurge'... A healthier relationship, a more honest relationship, is experienced with drinking, in parts of Europe...than in America...(Germany excluded). Same with soxuality and attraction...and is why the males are more laid back and casual in Europe, compared to the Hard chiseled John Wayne cowboy image American males project. European society tends to allow for more subtleties when in comes to gender interaction and or roles, thus you have less extreme behavior. Homophobia isn't rampant there, like in America...or parts of the middle east...(homophobia in Africa was started by American missionaries, but that's another story, for another time)... Guys in Europe, and parts of Asia, even hold hands at times...but their not 'gay'...the same way women do in America while shopping with a good friend... Women in the west are given this range, yet males are not. In the West...we've framed all and any same sox affection with hardcore homosoxuality... And the results have been terrible...and have given rise to odd extreme behaviors. If a male seeks affection, comfort, from another male in any way shape or form...he's deemed gay. So males in the west hide their natural, human range of emotions, and instead pretend to be 1 dimensional alpha dogs all the time. Guys, males, who aren't even gay, are categorized as such...where as in Europe, their behavior would not be deemed as gay at all... Examples... 1. In America...two guys hugging while walking down the street...'Oh you must be gay!'... In Europe...just good friends who care about each other. 2. In America two guys holding hands walking on the beach...'Oh you must be gay!'... In Europe...just good friends who care about each other. 3. In America...two guys sitting on couch, while watching movie, closer than 2 ft apart...'Oh you must be gay!' In Europe...just good friends who care about each other. And I could go on and on... The definition of 'gay' is so wide ranging in America, that many are made to feel gay who really aren't. Extreme homophobia has cause more to become gay, be defined as gay, than normal regular tolerance ever could...amazing how that works...
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Post by X factor on Nov 17, 2013 11:42:02 GMT -5
Kind of like the 'War on Drugs'...nations with that...America, have the highest incarceration rate, and drug use of any nation on the planet...
And like wise, this kind of 'War on homosoxuals' in America, has produced a nation with more open, and closet, homosoxuals than any nation on the planet...
I mean think about that...
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Post by X factor on Mar 13, 2014 16:34:09 GMT -5
I trust openly gay people way more than closet types, who tend to hide their intentions until an opportune time.
They hide their intentions cause they're conflicted with what they're attracted to, and all the stigma that comes from being 'gay' in certain communities, and so they hide their intentions.
But sometimes those intensions can come out during very ackward times.
An openly gay person has learned how to manage their orientation in a proper, respectful manner, a closet gay person has not.
So their expression may come out when they drink, or do drugs, or when they're emotionally up or down.
The conflict within tears them apart, cause they can't change whom their attracted to, so it tears them apart on the inside until they finally find some odd outlet like on C/L adds, where people want to do the oddest things to each other, but all in 'secrecy'.
Openly gay people are much more mature about their orientation, and manage their orientation as a normal hetro would.
Sadly though, in most communities, society has put such a condemning stigma on being gay that the majority of people still hide their orientation in fear of retribution, expecially people who come from tough inner city communities.
Where this exaggerated false bravado defines gay as being someone, who just cause you're gay, allows others to walk all over you, condemn you during the day, but knock on your door at 1:00 am in the morning 'to play'.
I'd much rather live in an openly gay community in San Francisco than a closet gay community in Birmingham Alabama.
Honesty just makes you a better person, a cleaner person, even if other condemn what you're honest about.
(in reference to this topic anyways.)
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Post by X factor on Jul 10, 2014 20:08:53 GMT -5
To me, openly gay people are like the mushrooms that bloom and flower, and closet gay people or society, is like the bacteria in which they rise from.
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Post by X factor on Nov 17, 2014 19:28:07 GMT -5
DL types are the ones who you would never suspect of being 'gay', and they take advantage of your stupidityAnd is why I totally prefer open, out of the closet, gay/lesbian types, or personalities. Honesty is always a better trait to have than dishonesty. But truth is there are many who are torn, confused, and not sure what they are or should be. Their hormones tell them one thing, yet morality (as they know it) tells them another. So even though they may be attracted to 'same sox', may hide do to personal conflict of values, or just 'shame'. These are not the people I'm talking about...they get a pass on here...cause they're genuinely confused and or afraid of both 'Gods Judgment' and or societies judgment' as well. Being genuinely confused is one thing, but being purposely deceptive is another. And some, or maybe many, or genuinely confused about their 'soxuality'. Like some have feet fetishes, no one is born asking to have a foot fetish, yet many do, or 'butt fetish' or an array of other odd fetishes that no one in their right mind asks to have...yet do. As if Programmed into DNA by mysterious designers. No one is perfect, no body is perfect, disease, cancer exists, Ebola, viruses...and so one. People born with down syndrome, and other mental disorders, born with missing limbs, born blind, born with personality disorders and on and one and one. We are Code!We're or 'humans' are nothing more than living code, biological code. And obviously this code is flawed at times. Whether do to 'sin' as the bible states, or do simply to millions of replications...flesh is flawed. If it weren't there'd be no hospitals or graveyards. Anyways I'm kind of getting off point here. My main point was that I prefer honest open 'gays' over closet or 'Craigslist' types who have a more sinister view of soxuality. I'll give case in point in up coming post.
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Post by X factor on Nov 20, 2014 17:46:29 GMT -5
One can't control who they're attracted to, but one can control who they 'hurt' or exploit for personal gain
Love never exploits the emotions or physical persons of another.
Perversion, however, does, and loves to degrade others, or another, in order to satisfy personal lust.
There are sicko yogarts who seek to exploit the innocents of others who are of the Hetro and both Homo strain or orientation.
A hetrosoxual can act on hetro lust, and exploit another, and so can a homosoxual, or bi-soxual, it doesn't matter the orientation.
But this thread is set up to discuss the whole 'DL' mindset (dishonest mindset), verses the 'out of the closet' or just openly confused mindset (honesty).
Also innocence can be lost at any age, innocence and broken trust.
You can be 22, 33, 45 even 66 and have your innocence stolen or exploited by another, for their own personal gain.
The next post will be a bit more focused, as I want to point out how dangerous down low types are, and many are driven there by the communities they come from.
And relate to same sox attraction in the ugliest most perverse forms imaginable.
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Post by X factor on Jul 19, 2021 15:36:05 GMT -5
Why many 'gay' folks annoy me, at least in adds
Also, 'gay' means different things to different people
I was scanning adds for roommates, and this one add said 'gay male seeking room, blah blah blah'..and saw where it had photo, so stupid me (ya'd think I'd of learned by now) hit the C/L add and there was a stupid looking 'B' dude with tongue hanging out mouth, gross.
First off
1. They were ugly butt ugly, gay or not, they were just ugly, no physical charm or grace, just some average labor ready laborer type of ugly and bland.
Here's what people in general need to know when posting pick on self on C/L, gay or not, people really do need to find the best picture, and brush it up, not just 'any ole picture' of yourself, cause first impressions are everything.
I would post a picture of this dude here, but never want to see that face again.
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Me, what I am is alone and sometimes lonely, as such in right environment who knows.
But online gay types, they're sick to me, and gross, and crude, and think just cause another could be open to same gender romance or playful flirting, that they can be as perverse to and towards you as they want, since in their mind 'your gay', so what do you care.
They have it in their mind that one can't be gay or lean gay or be bi curious without being an out and right yogarted tweeb.
In other words they judge you by who they are, and since they lack any values, ethics, they just figure you have none, or taste.
But I'm here to say one can be same gender oriented and still be as moral if not more than a flat Hetero type.
Orientation has nothing to do with morality, believe me I've been around enough people to know that.
Some Hetero types are very moral and upright and some gay types very moral and upright.
Some Hetero types are very immoral and dirty, and some gay types very immoral and dirty.
I mean just because some guy is alone and lonely and if met the right other 'guy', wouldn't mind watching movie on couch together, doesn't mean said guy also wouldn't mind having ex with a goat or something, yet people make that immoral progression in their minds.
'Oh, if you're gay, or think other males can be soxy, than you must also want to molest and rape hobbits'
Is how some think, especially brainwashed church types.
Anyways, to wrap this post up, just saying sloppy, immoral gay types really do annoy the heck out of me, you know, the types that send pictures of their hong slong, (Hetero men do this to women also).
It's just certain men, be they gay or straight, who do that type of crap, like they have the same base personality type, just one is gay, the other is straight.
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And they think because you're gay, that you're attracted to anything male that walks, nothing could be further from the truth, gay males are very particular over who they're attracted to, some gay guys only prefer very petite fem type of males, others are petite, and so prefer a stronger masculine male for balance, and some gays like men who look like body builders, it various, but don't know any gay males who like some scummy, goodwill dressed looking B guy that had his photo on the C/L post, that's for sure.
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Post by X factor on Jul 19, 2021 15:54:18 GMT -5
Me, I'm not racist, cause person of color, yet I'm not attracted at all to the urban fashion or grooming styles of 'B' females.
Women with thick long nails have freaked me out since a mild, and most urban black women have grotesque long nails, on hands that already look manly.
So to me, many urban women simply look like males in drag.
And the only thing scarier to me than a B women with long nails, is a black man with long nails, and that's what many heavy set urban black females look like to me, men in drag.
Yet younger 'W' males have the softest hands ever, as do some younger W females, just depends.
Then I go onto 'feet site', and B women do the same with their feet, have these thick, long portruding toe nails that look like weapons, or the feet of 'Orcs' from Lord of the Rings, goblin feet, and sorry I'm just not attracted to that, doesn't mean I'm gay, just means I'm not attracted to women that have goblin looking feet that are scarier to look at than my own feet are.
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Post by X factor on Jul 20, 2021 4:48:44 GMT -5
'Scummy' to me =
1. Dude or guy or male who just wakes up in the morning, never looks in the mirror, never combs hair and just walks out into the world 'as is'.= scummy
And scummy type males can be gay and or hetero.
And then when they post adds online, as in C/L, maybe looking for a roommate or ect, they post same ole scummy look of them self for the world to see, and it never occurs to them that they're ugly as all can be.
People like this totally lack self perspective.
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Post by X factor on Jul 20, 2021 4:52:36 GMT -5
'Scummy' to me = 1. Dude or guy or male who just wakes up in the morning, never looks in the mirror, never combs hair and just walks out into the world 'as is'.= scummy And scummy type males can be gay and or hetero. And then when they post adds online, as in C/L, maybe looking for a roommate or ect, they post same ole scummy look of them self for the world to see, and it never occurs to them that they're ugly as all can be. People like this totally lack self perspective. One thing I cannot stand is a scummy looking male, they can be white or black or other, but if scummy looking, get lost pal, I like males who take care of themselves and imagine how they look to others.
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Post by X factor on Oct 4, 2021 16:11:48 GMT -5
When people think being gay ect, is a sin, than even though they may be attracted to you, they treat you as if you're a 'sin' or temptation..what's known as #downlow, in urban areas...avoid anyone who simply sees you as their sinful outlet...
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