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Post by X factor on Sept 25, 2014 19:49:16 GMT -5
I'm trying to learn Spanish now, practical South American Spanish, not 'Going on vacation to Spain' type of Spanish that most manuals seem to only teach you.
Not everyone who wants, needs, to learn Spanish does so cause they're going on some vacation to Spain and want to know how to speak to waiter, or people at hotel or summon a taxi.
Yet most 'how to learn Spanish' manuals are set up this way, which to me is hyper dense to the 3rd freagin power.
In reality, most want, need, to learn South American Spanish that Mexicans or Mexican Americans speak, or Cubans, Columbians, Puerto Ricans ect.
Most in U.S. will never fly to Spain, thus learning proper European Spanish is a big waste of time.
Anyways, as I learn, what I learn, I'll share.
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Post by X factor on Sept 26, 2014 18:57:22 GMT -5
I'm trying to learn it right now, South American Spanish that is. Just annoys me how most manuals are set up as if you just want to learn it cause you're going on vacation to Spain. I'm mean sure a vacation to Spain would be fine, but most, at least in U.S. want, need, to learn Spanish cause so many immigrants coming in speak it now. So most need to learn every day, on the job, in the work place type of Spanish, not I'm rich and going on vacation to Spain type of Spanish. People, publishers, who write this books, How to speak Spanish books, are behind the times. They need to teach South American, Mexican, Mexican or Hispanic America every day practical Spanish, not Spanish as spoken in Spain. Get with the program publishers!!...
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Post by X factor on Sept 26, 2014 22:48:22 GMT -5
I'm going to tell you what's blatantly wrong with most Spanish teaching guides, books, ectMost of these manuals are flawed in that they only teach you how to memories words, things, rather than the verbs, adverbs, nouns, adjectives that link the words together. Examples would be who, what, when, why, where. Or But, if, can, I, I am, going, we, they, them, that, then, and so forth. Also it's first good to review good old fashion English definitions before charting into Spanish, knowing the meaning and function of words can help one know which words are key when learning Spanish. 1. Adjective = verbs that primarily describe people, ect Happy, sad, playful, angry, thrilled. 2. Adverb = Simplifies or changes meaning of a verb, ect Mark jumped high, 'high' is the adverb in this sentence. 3. Pronouns = we, them, they, him, us ect. All of these are words that help link the idea you're trying to express together. Memorizing the names of objects and things, isn't really as important as knowing how to link the objects and things you're speaking about together in a meaningful sentence. Learning 'water' in Spanish isn't as important as conveying your intent with the water. Do you want to drink it, share it, sell it, and to whom. Once you learn how to link verbs and nouns together, the rest can be memorized later, or at least person you're speaking with will have an idea of what you're trying to express. And it's a major flaw in most Spanish teaching books or lessons, in that they try to just have you memorize individual words, without first teaching you how to link words together using pronouns, adverbs and adjectives (and other such words that link meaning to what you're trying to express). But here we (nosotros) will learn together, but the right way.
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Post by X factor on Sept 26, 2014 23:08:38 GMT -5
And for crying out loud, Authors of Spanish learning books, quit writing the books as vacation manuals.
Not everyone who wants to learn Spanish is doing so just to take fancy vacation over seas.
Most people want to learn everyday Spanish so they can speak with co-workers or neighbors ect, not cause they're going on some vacation over seas!!
More and more of population in U.S. are speaking Spanish, do to immigration, legal or not, more and more are coming from nations where Spanish is primary language.
So most who want to learn now, want to learn domestic Spanish, as spoken by someone from Mexico, or Columbia or Cuba.
Bunk vacation Spanish, it's about real day to day Spanish one must know to get by on the streets, or at work.
And as I learn, I'll teach it right here, and there will be no mention of Hotels or vacation or suitcase or any other lingo associated with vacation Spanish that most manual erroneously teach.
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Post by X factor on Sept 26, 2014 23:28:26 GMT -5
Some important connecter words to know in Spanish
1. I = Yo
2. You = usted
3. We = Nosotros
4. Where = Donde'
5. How = Como
6. Why? = por que'
7. And = Y {And you?} {Y usted}
8. They = ellos/ ellas
9. When = Cuando
10. What = Que'
These are some basic connector words that link verbs, adjectives, pronouns, objects and meaning of sentence together.
It's much more complicated than that, but if speaking with someone in Spanish, knowing these words will help them understand the context of what you're trying to express.
If they know Spanish, they'll be smart enough to figure out what you mean, just like someone who can barely speak English focuses on key words in English, and as English speaker, you can grab meaning of what they're trying to say.
These are the first words, and a few others, that manuals should teach, instead of trying to make you memorize table (un mesa), or book (un libro) or other objects, yet don't know how to link the words together.
This will be a long process, as I'm learning to.
But it's essential to start with basics first to express what it is you want or are doing, or about to do.
Yo soy = I am or (Estoy)
Estoy _____ < verb...hot, cold, wet, happy
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Post by X factor on Sept 26, 2014 23:56:26 GMT -5
You must learn a new language as a baby does One step at a time. The first words most of us learned as infants were more than likely words that dealt with our own personal wants. Like 'me', 'hey' (to get attention), no, yes, hi, by, hot, cold. Then we probably evolved onto sentences that expressed what we wanted or felt about something: I want, you want then, can I?, why not? I'm hungry and so forth. And Spanish should be learned in same way, any language, as if you're a mild describing what you want. 'I want', 'I need'......and from there other words can be memorized. And of course we all remember the Taco Bell dog wanting the Taco. So obviously 'Yo Quiero' = I want All language learning starts with our own personal wants, from there our brains begin to expand on other meanings, words and terms.
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Post by X factor on Sept 27, 2014 7:51:25 GMT -5
Baby steps or Pesos de bebe' One thing I'm noticing about Spanish is that the verb often comes before the noun. In English it's 'Me tall', but in Spanish it seems to be 'tall me'. The action word seems to come first, followed by the subject.
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Post by X factor on Sept 27, 2014 8:17:43 GMT -5
Another main way brain remembers, learns, a language is by writingAgain, it's how we learned our native language as youth, was to write down letters, pronounce them, then write down words, then sentences. In order for words and their meaning to stick to your mind, you have to write them down, over and over again. Write out a sentence in Spanish, over and over again, and that's a great way to learn, cause things, ideas, words, just stick to your mind more when you write them down. Yo Quiero desayunoAgain the complex comes later, learn as a mild would, a baby, 'I' first, then what it is you want. All the complex stuff, usage, plurals ect, come later in learning process. 'I want breakfast'= 'Yo quiero desayuno'
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Post by X factor on Sept 27, 2014 13:47:57 GMT -5
Label all objects in house, apartment, living quarters, in Spanish
Estoy labeling all items in dwelling with Spanish names and titles, and will force self to start using Spanish names for items until it becomes second nature.
Practice is the only way.
I really want to learn Spanish, if other can, why can't I or we.
I've always admired Las personas who could speak multiple languages, and I've always seen them as being more smart, keen and capable, cause they have to think twice as quick, and have double the vocabulary and can reach double the worlds population.
To me, one language people are lazy, and kind of spoiled.
I fall into that category, but by 3rd page, I really want to be writing mostly in Spanish, even if sentences are very basic.
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Post by X factor on Oct 21, 2014 20:30:13 GMT -5
If Authors of Spanish books/manuals were smart they would
Sell Spanish specific guides for different professions, for example...
1. Spanish for Police Officers
Words/phrases like 'Freeze' or 'Do you understand your rights?', or 'Hands above your head' ect ect.
2. Spanish for Doctors, paramedics, first responders
Like 'Where does it hurt?' or 'Are you taking medication?', ect ect
3. Or Spanish for truck drivers
4. Spanish for construction workers 'nail', hammer, wood, lumber, 'get that lumber', ect
And so forth.
That's practical Spanish, people need to learn Spanish in the immediate enviornment they're in, not on some assumed over seas vacation they're going on.
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Post by X factor on Oct 25, 2014 22:28:54 GMT -5
Most Americans, these days, want to learn Spanish in order to better communicate with Hispanic immigrants arriving in NationThe days of thinking people only want to learn Spanish who are going on vacation are long gone, but someone forgot to tell Spanish instructional Authors this, I guess. Now, if one lives in the South West, Texas, California, parts of Colorado, Florida, South Georgia and other States, now one doesn't even have to visit Spain or Mexico to hear the language spoken. And depending on what trade you're in, up to 50% of co-workers possibly speak Spanish. So there's a much more practical need people want to learn Spanish now days, other than for reason of taking nice long leisurely vacation to Spain or Mexico, like in the 1950's. With that said here's some practice. Like I wrote above, it's best to learn a language as you did as a mild, words that first express 1. What you want, need and feel. Self centered expressions. Example: I, I am.......two important words in English that express 'you' (usted). I = Soy I am = Estoy. These are derivatives of the verbs 'ser'(soy) and 'estar' (estoy) (don't worry about the above just yet) Use 'Soy' when describing permanent condition. Example: Soy un hombre Your gender is a permanent state, and normally can't be changed. On the other hand your mood changes all the time thus you would express 'I'm happy' as 'Estoy feliz' I'm or I am = Estoy, Soy depending on permanent or temporary state. Estoy cansado...
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Post by X factor on Oct 25, 2014 23:21:24 GMT -5
I, I am practice in SpanishEstoy hambre (later you'll just say 'Tengo hambre') = I'm hungry Estoy cansado = I am tired Estoy feliz = I am happy Estoy enojado = I am angry... Estoy enojado = (J pronounced as 'h') Soy gordo = I am fat Soy delgada = I am skinny Soy = permanent description or state Estoy = temporary condition or state There's a lot to learn, but must start with basics, and communicate as a baby or mild would when learning new language, must start with basics. Estoy, estoy, estoy, estoy estoy = I am Estoy caliente = (you figure it out)
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Post by X factor on Oct 25, 2014 23:43:52 GMT -5
Again, unless some ones a total dim wit in Spanish, if you know the basics, they'll be able to understand what you're trying to express. In English it would be like this. 1. Me hungry 2. I tired 3. Where go for gas 4. Me lost 5. I hot 6. you mad? 7. no understand 8. Where store? 9. TV, I want 10. truck, yours? And so forth...when foreigners learn English they speak in basics first, like a caveman would. And when you, we, learn Spanish or other language, we sound the same to them, but as long as you get verb right, and noun, they will know what you're trying to express. And that's how we're going to learn Spanish on here, basic communication first, the complicate present, past, future tense stuff much later. We will learn Spanish as if we are cave men/women initially, just enough to express ideas to person talking with. el cavernicola
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Post by X factor on Oct 26, 2014 11:27:27 GMT -5
Also, we tend to learn things better that we need.
Most of us don't need to go to Spain on vacation, as such won't remember or be motivated to remember or practice 'Vacation Spanish'.
But will be much more motivated to learn 'work place Spanish' or 'social Spanish'.
Write in English the things you normally say to co-workers in English, then translate and learn how to say, express in Spanish.
For example:
1. I need you to...
2. Over there...
3. Come here...
4. Speak up...
5. Go home...
6. Be here tomorrow at 8 am...
7. Good job...
8. Lets go...
9. More...
10. Back to work...
These are some practical phrases that co-workers communicate to each other or that a manager may communicate to employees.
And later we'll translate into Spanish, or you can do it yourself.
I actually realize now I need to create whole new section for Spanish Instruction, seeing as there's so many areas of learning.
I want to create whole section so I can start working on subject lessons like 'Spanish for managers', Spanish for bus drivers, Spanish for truck drivers, Spanish for pilots, Spanish for nurses, Spanish for Carpenters, Spanish for Doctors, Spanish for Taxi drivers, Spanish for plumbers, Spanish for Cashiers, Spanish for police officer and security personal, Spanish for electricians, Spanish for Apartment managers and so forth.
People learn better when they learn what they have to for their own unique personal communication skills.
Enough of this 'Vacation Spanish' garbage, as most who need to or want to learn Spanish aren't doing so to go on some elaborate vacation overseas.
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Post by X factor on Oct 29, 2014 18:44:17 GMT -5
Right Handed = Mano derecha Left Handed = Mano izquierda right = derecha, derecha, derecha, derecha >>> derecha >>> left = izquierda, izquierda, iz, iz, iz izquierda <<< izquierda <<< Hand = Mano, mano mano mano = ManoMi mano, su (your) mano, su mano, mi mano mano izquierda (left handed) mano derecha (right handed)
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