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Post by X factor on May 22, 2013 2:42:12 GMT -5
Contrary to common thought, I think those who contemplate suicide actually want to live, and not die. They want to live, and live more abundantly, but feel as if current circumstances are choking out that possibility. So when most say 'I don't want to live anymore', what they're really saying is 'I want to live, and live abundantly, but can't under current circumstances'. Those circumstances could be a variety of things. 1. Economic 2. Illness 3. Emotional distress 4. Imprisoned somewhere Just for starters... But also moods precede depression which precedes suicidal thoughts. The circumstances that cause one to want to end their current life, are usually on going, and can precede the actual suicidal thoughts for weeks, months, years and even decades.  Suicidal thoughts usually come into play once one believes that time can no longer solve what ails them. Time can sometimes be a savior or tormentor, depending on the mindset of the person. Time is usually seen, by those going through hardship, as something that will eventually wash away the pain, thus it allows them to see the end of whatever circumstances their going through. Time is seen as a tormentor when someone sees the circumstances they're in as never ending, something they will have to wear, bare, for life....stress basically, be it physical stress from illness or circumstansual stress from bad environment or situation. When time is no longer seen as a cleansing agent, than all hope is lost, and tomorrow, like the day after that, is just seen as torment. |
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Post by X factor on May 22, 2013 3:17:50 GMT -5
As intelligent beings, humans have been created with, entrusted with, a vast array of emotions, more so than any other life forms on earth, and as such, are way more prone to suicidal thoughts than other animals.
Our ability to think in the past and future, can often times be our down fall.
Our emotional state of being is often based on things that occurred far in the past, or something we think might occur in the future.
If this future projection of our circumstance is good, than we're happy, if the future projection of our circumstance are bad, than we're sad.
Intelligence is a great thing to have when the mind is healthy, and one is able to reason correctly.
But that same intelligence can work against us, humans, when faulty thinking or reasoning enters into the fray.
A tuned up engine in a car is great, when going in the right direction.
But that same tuned up engine, if steered in the wrong direction, can cause a lot of damage to the car.
Same things with our minds and bodies.
With intelligence, comes a high level of responsibility, and a high risk of frailty as well.
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Post by X factor on May 22, 2013 9:32:59 GMT -5
 Also, the more complex societies are, the higher the suicide rate seems to be, according to statistics. The more simple society is, the less likely suicide takes place. That does make sense to me. Looking back at my own life, the happiest times were the simplest times. It seems modern man has done his best to make life ultra complicated, but most people are still 'basic'. Basic man, with basic needs, trying to survive and navigate in an ultra complicated environment, which can add layers upon layers of unessisary red tape, where as in the past the same situation wouldn't of added much stress at all. Take employment. Now days the forms and information needed on self, just to be considered eligible for employment, can be overwhelming for some. You're expected to know things you did years ago, remember dates, times, and the 'why's' to things that have long faded from memory. Also, this idea that you have to 'impress' others, in order to be worthy of income, also stresses many out. In the long distant past, all you had to do was go outside, chop some wood for heat, and gather food from your own groove. If you could do that, you were fine. Not anymore, Governments have grown so complex, taxes gathered from everyone, that your literaly forced into a system you instinctively may not even want to be a part of. And unless you're wealthy, you're basically just running on a financial treadmill...  ...going no where, watching all your income get gobbled up by services. As such, less people are able to prosper, regardless of labor and time put in, and instead barely are able to maintain the basics, until next big crisis comes along and wipes out what little they did have saved up. It's a system that works for those on the top, but for those on the bottom, life, their efforts to get ahead, are becoming more and more generic, and soon realize your only purpose in life is basically to feed your measly income to others around you, just to get lectured by those who have, and told 'you should be thankful for the basics, to have roof over your head'... And with that, I say go back to post above this one about 'Intelligence' Maybe a slave is happy to just have a roof above their head, but an intelligent being usually strives for me, know they are capable of more, and when can't achieve more (for a variety of reasons) tends to get depressed. Complex industrial nations, like Japan, have horrific suicide occurancesIn America, about 100 people commit suicide every day, because the complexity of the system just seems to smother people. Expectations still remain high, but the 'system' which is designed to bleed you of your resources, just seems to smother more and more people. And it all comes down to money, revenue...that's why there's a fee behind everything...more on that later. How money has become 'god'...a god that more and more cannot ever satisfy...cause it takes and takes and takes, until you're expired... |
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Post by X factor on May 22, 2013 10:37:11 GMT -5
Money is a ruthless 'god'...money demands a lot... A system built on money demands a lot... As Warren Sapp...Former NFL football star has learned...Sell Mansion or go to jail. Money to Warren Sapp 'Sell Mansion, home, or be imprisoned'The 'State'...which feeds off of money, will suck the life blood out of you...even Millionares aren't exempt. If one could illustrate this through a drawing...it would be interesting. The State is hungry, and needs to feed... |
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Post by X factor on May 30, 2013 23:16:13 GMT -5
 And I don't know why, but seems almost everyone, as a hobbit, was told that if you take your own life, you would end up in 'hell'...like instantly. That thought alone seems to be enough to detour many from doing it...at least in the Christian orientated faiths. One will never know whether that's true or not until one actually dies, but the thought of the 'what if?' or 'unknown' is scary enough, at least for me. It's the not knowing what lies there after, that has always made me hesitate... I mean we'll all find out soon enough, as people die anyways of other things eventually, but I certainly don't want to rush it.. Time and Space have existed forever, but most of us have only been conscious (that we can remember) for a micro second. I'm not trying to go back to nothing...I was nothing, dead, not a live, for trillions of years before I was born...I think I'll try to stretch my conscious life out for as long as I can...breathe a bit, before I go back to the abyss of unknown. |
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Post by X factor on Aug 15, 2013 14:16:14 GMT -5
Suicide is a bad idea...cause once you're gone, no one cares anymore...all they want is your money and possesions...
And no telling what you're facing in the next realm...you may have escaped this realm, but no telling what you're facing in the next realm.
Why rush it?
Although in cases where people have illnesses, and are in extreme pain...I can kind of understand why someone would elect to take on life...
Living with extreme pain can make you loose your mind, and death can seem like a 'cure' from the pain...
But people who commit suicide over a bad grade, or broken relationship or loosing job, nah, not worth it.
Staying alive, recovering and doing well is the best revenge...
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Post by X factor on Dec 22, 2013 0:31:54 GMT -5
Odd song...I was origanilly against it...but now I like it.
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Post by X factor on Mar 9, 2014 11:18:17 GMT -5
When people commit or attempt suicide, I wonder what most expect to find on the other side? Most of us, at least in the Western Hemisphere, have been told since childhood that suicide = instant hell...   It's a religious based notion, or 'Christian' based notion, cause obviously Muslims don't believe that, and is why they commit so many suicide bombings. But for some reason Christian leaning believers believe that if you commit suicide, the instant you're dead, you'll wake up in a lake of flames. So as such, if one believes that there really is no escape, it's either hell on earth or hell in the afterworld, according to that belief. And the people who tell you you'll go to 'hell' if you commit suicide, are never around to help you cope with things while here on earth. Truth is no one knows what happens after death, whether through suicide or a car crash. I don't think someone in such despair, who chooses to take own life, automatically ends up in Hell, if human judges and courts are more reasonable than that than I'm sure God almighty is. People who never think about suicide should be lucky they're never in a spot to have to. I sometimes go to websites which post suicide victims, just to see how the person looked before, and after the deed was done. And to imagine if that was my own self laying there disfigured and lifeless. I stare at them as if it were me looming above scene after deed was done. Here's what I see, deed is done, a bloody mess, emergency people respond, investigate, family notified, scene cleaned up, your gone, life goes on. Nothing stops for us whether we're here or not, the system rolls on. And maybe it's the system the person so desperately wanted to escape, or bad relationship, illness, abuse, a combination of all the above, blackmail, ect. Or even failed dreams, and the dread of living 10-50 more years with no passion or love, or living another 10-50 years feeling unloved. Who knows. Many soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan have been commiting suicide at alarming rates. Suicide high in Army (USA Today)Bottom line, I think when you're gone, we're gone, no one really cares, if they didn't, don't, care much about you or for you in life, they won't care about you after death. They'll go on with their lives...not that the person who's dead cares. I think it's easiest for single people to commit suicide, people without families. And it sickens me when someone with a family tries to commit suicide with whole family... Father commits family suicide, takes his family with him to the graveDo they feel it will be less lonely in the afterworld if they take their loved ones with them? This type of behavior goes on quite often actually, just google it. To me, having a family should make you happy, not sad to the point you want to 'Jim Jones town them'. them. All I know is once your dead your gone forever, at least in this realm...I guess...unless reincarnated or something...who knows. When you think about it, who really knows anything beyond the grave? We're all kind of guess, hoping, what lies beyond our physical demise. Will Jesus save us?, will Mohomad be there?, is earth some kind of cosmic 'Surviver' reality game show or something? who knows...but one day we'll all for sure find out. |
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Post by X factor on Jun 28, 2014 22:50:53 GMT -5
When one dies, they either die by their own hands, someone else's hands or natures hand.
Or to put it differently, suicide, homicide or natural causes like old age or illness.
What if you're so tired, depleted of hope, and feel value to this world is so minimal that you don't want to wait on 2 and 3?
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Post by X factor on Jul 5, 2014 19:16:57 GMT -5
People who commit suicide don't realize there's so many other options to try first. Like just riding bike out into desert, with a tent, and surviving, just getting away from all the man created tensions of the world. Getting away from finance and bills, and being in nature, observing animals, can really help re-properly orientate the lost and confused. Animals can really teach us how to relax if one observes them and takes notes.  |
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Post by X factor on Feb 22, 2015 21:21:33 GMT -5
Not sure why Christians tend to believe that suicide means instant hell...where as Muslims obviously don't believe that...
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Post by X factor on Jun 27, 2015 4:40:48 GMT -5
In todays world it's easy for many (in this frame of mind) to think they no longer matter. With population boom, do to technology, industry, stable Governments, one can sometimes get lost in it all. In other words the less people in a room, the more important each individual is. Same thing with society, the more bodies, the less you shine, matter, cause there's 100,000 who can take your place and do what you do, even better. The older I get, the less I believe in the notion of this eternal hell sh_t. The eternal lake of fire, eternal hell flames, makes less and less sense. If anything I could see there just being nothing after death in which time would cease to exist since not a live to measure it anymore. A trillion Earth years would go by in one second. Did man tell himself he was created in the image of God, or did God tell man that? I wonder sometimes, as all life on Earth seems so similar. I mean even insects are parents. Why do, would, sons, daughters of Gods come into this world following same biological cycle as shrimp or catfish or Elk? Born, raised by parents, learn, mature, seek mate, start process over again...I mean even the lowest evolved life form does this. So how are humans different from Gerbils in the mating cycle?  What's the difference? Ever watched Gerbil parents take care of their young? Not much different than how humans do it. Gerbils seem to spring from nothing, egg, spe_m, and so do humans. If Gerbils want to reproduce they have to have ___, and so do humans, both follow exact same patterns. Yet humans are 'god like' and the Gerbil isn't? When both follow the exact same life cycle, have to do the exact same thing to bring forth biological life. One good thing about being under the insulatory power or influence of faith and church is that you don't think of such things as this. You just go on believing in the Judeo/Christian explanation of things and as such remain sane and comforted. Maybe that's not so bad. |
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Post by X factor on Jul 12, 2015 10:22:31 GMT -5
When older, one still wants to run away, only when older there's no place to run away to, not only that, once you get there there's no one to take care of you.
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Post by X factor on Jul 12, 2015 10:40:36 GMT -5
Ever think about people who committed suicide long ago?
We've all known someone in middle school, high school, college, at job, or celebrity, family member ect, who's committed suicide long ago.
Years later, maybe decades later, do you ever still think about them, whether a long ago classmate that committed suicide or lover, or family member.
Did they really accomplish anything by removing themselves from this planet?, did life stop or slow down for them?
I still remember a classmate who committed suicide when I was still in grade school..they were older, and known to many, it was a female.
At the time it felt so heavy, I mean who else on this earth is thinking about them right now other than myself?
Maybe their family I suppose, but outside of that who?
They certainly took a real short cut through life.
It's hard to believe someone would kill themselves like in middle school, but they did.
And here I am after all these years still thinking about it, them.
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Post by X factor on Nov 14, 2015 12:34:08 GMT -5
Why are people allowed to kill themselves?Why are people are allowed to kill themselves if a loving God who cares for all really exist? And don't give me this stuff about 'free will'....if you have a mild, and love your mild, wife, ect, are you going to stand there and allow them to commit 'free will' by blowing their brains out right in front of you? And then tell someone later ' free will is a sign of love'... God doesn't help cause he can't. Which means 1. There has never ever ever been such a all knowing Universal God, as millions have died, die, daily over 1000's of years, and not one single person saved from death, to still be around today to speak about it. One the other hand, I must abruptly end this post, for as I'm challenging the existence of god, body is starting to feel odd.
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