Some today seem to worship capitalism and money and stuff and hoarding of stuff...
Some today seem to think this is the best system man has ever devised...and measure pleasure by the materialistic manufactured goods they can buy.
But to me, capitalism is simply another form of enslavement...strips, has stripped, entire cultures, who were doing just fine before capitalism, of their independence and right to be free.
This whole 'modern man' template...by which everyone measures happiness...I question it...
I'm beginning to think this model of life is a short term trap, more than long term prosperity for man.
Now mind you, just because I'm questioning the merits of capitalism doesn't mean I support communism either...for both systems are a form of Government forced unto people.(Governments need enterprise in order to survive, so both Gov/big business are married today)
I question any system where many are forced to live under central rule, where there existence is simply to benefit the Government they're born under.
And I do realize before capitalism and communism you had 'Empires'...'Kingdoms' that still demanded certain services of it's citizens.
So I will try to be as fair as I can when exploring various systems, how they came to be, and how people lived up under them.
This will be a very long study...looking at different cultures, time periods ect.
But it's a journey in the past I feel I must take, in order to better understand where we are headed as a planet...
Last Edit: Jan 12, 2014 16:55:29 GMT -5 by X factor
I'm only trying to find the truth here about capitalism...
And so I've been doing some reading about it's roots, which mainly came out of Europe, northern Europe...
In doing so stumbled across the word 'usury'...which basically means money lending at a profit or with interest.
I learned the Catholic Church, when it dominated Europe, was against this practice..'usury'...which is the primary money making mechanisms of large lending institutions, banks, ect.
Well then I wanted to know 'well why was 'usury' opposed for so long by the Catholic Church in Europe?'...
So I googled 'usury' and the bible...and was startled at what I found...
There was at least 25 verses in the old and new testament bible, that spoke out against this practice...wow....and I mean a big wow....
I say that cause if you study the origins of capitalism, usury is a big part of that origin... A practice which the bible clearly speaks out against...
Here are a few verses..
1. Leviticus 25:36
Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you.
2. Leviticus 25:35-37
“If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit.
3. Ezekiel 18:13
Lends at interest, and takes profit; shall he then live? He shall not live. He has done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon himself.
Wow...and double wow....this means according to scripture...the very foundations of capitalism are evil...not my words...scriptures words...and no, I'm not talking about buying an apple from someone for 20 cents...I'm talking the whole gigantic banking, market system itself...which as become an empire of it's own.
Not sure what to say right now... Except that the devil is a deceiver...
So many have been trained, brained, conditioned to think that capitalism, mass profit off of other peoples labor, banks, high interests rates are 'gooooood'...and that any one opposed to this system is 'baaaaaaad'....
But what does scripture say?? (above post).
I've always had a sense that the whole monetary system was somehow linked into the end day prophecy as being apart of the whole 'beast' or 'dragon' scenario...not being able to buy or sell scenario.
Suffering under this system, and then always being told 'it's gods way'...never sit right with me...well now that I see scripture says different...I realize now 'God divine' doesn't support any system that exploits others...
For those who think the money system is so great, so loving, just run out of money, and not be able to pay bills for 2 months, and see where you end up...
When you're butt is on streets, bill collectors screaming at you, customer service people who you thought valued you for you, but after not making payments, can't stand the sight of you, after you go through that, then come back and say how loving and kind money is, capitalism is...
After you're value is reduced to zero, then come back and say how loving capitalism is.
This system pretends to be your friend, only and as long as you continue to feed it with your resources, but once you run out of resources, money...this system will will bury you alive.
There's not heart or love involved in it...as long as you have money to feed the system, the system, people who serve the system, fake like they like you...run out of money, and they all will bury you alive...
You can often use your own mood, stress level, to know what's good for you and what's bad.
I love to work...I've never been lazy while on a job...
So the issue, to me, isn't work...it's this system where you work, and how all your money is yanked from you cause either you don't earn enough or prices are jacked up to high.
Like trickery or something...you're told to work work work...but it seems you keep less less less of what your labor produces.
As if you're working not for your own benefit, but rather for the benefit of the system.
It becomes a drain after a while, for the labor class, to maintain moral under such a system, expecially as body gets older, wears out, but you still have to work, cause the system demands it...the system brutally demands that you labor until your dead, either that or live on the streets.
The wealthy class never notice this side of the system, they're not effected by it.
But it's brutal to lower income wage earners, I see what it does to people on the street level, how it makes older citizens, who still must earn money, do things on the streets, they otherwise wouldn't.
Hell, even the whole porn industry is driven by peoples need to earn money.
This system has given birth to all kinds of immoral crafts, that people do out of desperation, in order to not end up on the streets.
This system leaves behind very ugly residue, that the wealthy never see...but that more and more are starting to see, and even go through.
It's a stressful system, cause you're forced to labor, or live on the streets. Regardless of your health, the system demands you labor, produce an income, or else.
It's why people rob banks, steal stuff, cheat, extort, sell drugs ect...all do to the demands of this system, which some seem to worship.
I often read or hear accounts of immigrants from the 50's, 60's, telling stories about how their Father or Grandfather worked until they dropped, dead at like 45 or 48...do to exhaustion.
I mean is that really ideal? To work work work, wear your body out to the point where you simply die?
Yet we're brainwashed by big industry and told that some how that's 'gooood'...
"Work work work, labor labor labor for us until you drop dead'...
I question this system more and more.
I love freedom, I love to work (when on own farm or land, producing for self, not producing for Government or the rest of society)but not sure if this system is the ultimate utopia, many have been brainwashed into thinking it is...
Last Edit: Jan 12, 2014 14:54:00 GMT -5 by X factor
Are capitalism and commercialism forms of enslavement?
In and of themselves no, but when forced to participate in any system, against your will, than yes.
As such, whole Governments, and the laws they draft, can be seen as forms of enslavement.
That includes Communism also...for those who think I'm 'going there'...
Before Communism or Capitalism, what was life like for most?...nomadic?
Before that people had to live under brutal Kingships, or strict religious rulers (Which many muslims still live under).
But lets stick to capitalism, and government.
No one is free in America, when every square inch of land is owned or zoned.
Freedom is being able to say 'screw this', and just go off somewhere and set up a tent, and live off the land.
But in America you can't do that...you either must own the land, or have some kind of permit, both of which costs money...which goes back to 'is capitalism a form of enslavement'.
If land has been priced out of the hands of the working poor, than what are the working poor working for?, to stay poor?
A lot of people are just tired...tired of the game, the mirage, as if if you just work a bit harder, things will pay off...hogwash.
The harder you work, the more you wear your body out, the more prices go up, taxes go up, so that the net gain is still zero.
Many people just want to leave the system, but can't, cause can't afford land that costs $200,000 for 40 acres ect.
Capitalism is enslavement to people who labor, who can't afford, or are forced to 'buy' their way to a better life.
It has nothing to do with being lazy.
Work and employment are two totally different things
Work, is what pioneers did, what Native Indians did, what Pilgrims did...in that you go into woods, gather natural resources, build cabin, teepee, construct levies, ect
That's work, you worked to live, like a Beaver.
A beaver works, labors, but is not employed.
Do you see the difference?
And it's what man use to do.
Unless you're getting paid a lot of money to get ahead, being employeed and receiving small compensation for your time and labor in no way compares to the life one could have is just allowed to be free in nature and live as they see fit, grow own food, live on land for free...yes free!!, as the animals do.
Why is it that someone else always has to profit from everything we do, including just existing?
This is not freedom, it's almost like legal robbery.
The system is a joke for most, who regardless of 1000's of hours of labor, will never be able to afford to live in Mansion.
So if one can't have a Mansion, the next best thing is to have the world, nature, as animals do, as Geese do, as Ducks do, Deer, in that the whole planet is theirs, mountain ranges, lakes, oceans.
But not with man.
Not with greedy man who has twisted everything for a few who benefit off the backs, labor of many.
Not just the U.S.A. but all Governments are like this now, you trade freedom, for low wage slavery.
Forced to live within system, earning just enough to feed the corporate and governmental masters, and or religious masters, if living in middle east.
Sadly, most think all of this is normal...it is not...it's a perversion of what life on earth was origninally meant to be like for humans.
It's not so much capitalism as it is the pay structure of most, which makes 90% or more have to labor their whole complete lives just for the basic.
That's where the enslavement part comes in.
Of course if one is earning millions do to their favorable pay structure, and don't have to labor in hot sun 'or else' then of course they'll have a different view.
But bring them down to the level of most, who labor, and their view would change almost over night.
The wage system for most is set up to where you earn just enough to 'get buy' which means if you stop laboring, get tired or sick, one has the constant threat of becoming homeless.
It's like work, labor, toil, 'or else'.
It's why people in poorer communities, on lower incomes, buy so many lottery tickets, it's the modern way of trying to buy ones self out of slavery.
All throughout history, the one way a slave could become free was to buy his freedom, and that's what more and more are trying to do through the lottery, and or other fast quick means.
More and more are realizing that instinctively this whole system is wrong.
Most forms of Government are wrong, where millions are hussled so that a few can prosper.
There was a time when America seemed to have bucked that historical trend...from like 1946-2000, but eventually as the nations settled, settles, things are taking their natural course where a few benefit off the sweat of many.
The equilibrium is taking effect now.
And more and more people are just getting tired.
An uneducated political dork will automatically be thinking the following Well, huh, what would you prefer, communism...duh
Both systems were hatched from the same 'Elites', same schools ect.
None come from say the Native Americans or other none European ways of running a society.
Reagan was wrong when he said in his famous comment that the Native Americans weren't doing nothing with the land. I totally disagree with that, to me they were doing with it what they were suppose to, living, utilizing it, then dying and leaving room for the next generations, clean, and unpolluted, no nuclear waste, toxins, bio-hazards, mounds of litter and trash, dirty water, oils, extinct animals ect ect.
And in 400 years or less, it will be obvious that the Indians took care of the land far better than modern industry has.
Only people able to stand back and see that what's being done is wrong.
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Capitalism is not my natural state of being (Freedom and Democracy is my natural state)
Capitalism is not my natural state of being or desire, it may be yours, but it's not mine, not anymore at least.
My natural state of being, at this stage in life, under current mental circumstances, is to simply be left a lone.
In that I see the futility in it all, employment, renting your labor out, becoming subservient to employer just to really get no where.
It's not liking working for a wage will yield one a castle for their efforts, maybe a small apartment, but no castle.
It just all seems futile to me right now, simple village life seems far more appealing where you grow own crops, no banks, no interests rates, no federal reserve, no mortgages, no APR and so forth.
For instance, even if you want to create own small shuttle company, right off the bat the start off costs are more than you'll earn for a few months as business gets off the ground.
Auto or small insurance alone runs around $6-8 a month, so right of the bat under pressure to first earn that before even generating profit.
The amount of money and resources that get sucked out of you is just incredible, all to feed this gigantic money sucking machine.
After a while it just takes away your enthusiasm. I have no desire to be apart of any of it, but you really have no choice, you have to.
Either you're a employee in this system or an employer, or blessed enough to have independent wealth where you can just live, fly around the world on permanent vacation, or set world records.
I get on craigslist, scan through all the misc jobs, and everyone of them depresses me.
Everyone of them has impressive title, yet none will yield a castle, so you're basically working, dreaming of that castle, until old and sickly then pass away.
It's a sham.
There's two types of riches, one is acquired through monetary wealth, the other is acquired through contentment and realizing Earth is the wealth.
Animals enjoy the latter type of wealth.
Man, on the other hand, has always horded geographical areas, then forced everyone within those geographical areas to work, slave, and labor to keep a few comfortable.
In other words if there's a King, everyone else has to work, slave and labor to first satisfy the needs of the King, and then the 'State', and then what's left over, yourself or family.
That system dates back 1000's of years in one form or another.
Well there's no more King, per say, today, but the King has been replaced by Corporate interests.
And Governments are beholden to these corporate interests, which tilt the laws of the land, business laws and so forth, to their favor and is why so much of the wealth floats upwards, and not downwards.
It's the collective labor of the poor that makes a few rich (investors), it's not the few rich who make the masses prosper
The working or employed poor earn every dime they get, and are in tern are given a very small % of the profits their labor helped generate.
Then the money earned from profits goes upwards, is manipulated through the markets, multiplied through securities, loans, (and all sorts of other tricks of financing), and shipped off.
That wealth never returns to the people once it leaves them, a lot of this instead is shipped off over seas to foreign banking institutions, in the billions and trillions, where it just sits.
In the mean time, for you part, for helping to make a few rich, you get $12 an hour (ect) to stay poor and labor, and to never be able to rise above basic bills, unless of course through credit, where interest rates are charged, and once again the money flows upwards. Always upwards, profits never flow downwards, sometimes they do in the form of wage increase.
But other than wage increase, salary increase, all the profits and wealth flow upwards.
And then whatever you have left the Government comes in and takes through mandatory taxes, and fees which come in a lot of forms. Property tax, income tax, fuel tax, death tax, estate tax, insurance tax, tags for car, medical tax (forced health care law). Anytime an insurance is mandated, it's a form of tax.
It's all futile.
Go to a senior home and see what the end result of it all is, people sickly laying up in bed with nothing.
None of them ever getting that castle through years of exploited labor.
Capitalism is the wrong word for it today. Capitalism is really only applied to banks now.
But what me and you do on daily basis is not capitalism.
All we do is labor, rent our bodies for 4-16 hours a day for a wage.
Democracy and capitalism are often terms that get confused with one another.
What I want, love, is democracy, freedom, but under that freedom corporate or collective greed and exploitation of citizens is a scourge.
I probably didn't explain that right, but someone better versed on 'what I mean' rather than maybe how I expressed it, will know what I was trying to express.
A political retard will simple think that cause I don't favor exploitive Capitalist that I automatically love socialism or communism.
A Fox News viewer or talk radio viewer will automatically think that.
But someone more keen, will totally understand what I was trying to convey, even though I may not have used proper terms.
Last Edit: Nov 14, 2015 6:18:16 GMT -5 by X factor
I can't believe some jobs still pay around 8 an hour...what a horrible terrible joke.
4 dollars every 30 minutes of your skill or labor, 2 dollars every 15 minutes...
It's why I think, observe, labor wage, really demeans a persons value.
Wage, basically takes, or took, proud people, a proud would be Prince or Queen, and reduced their output in life to mindless labor.
Took villagers in Africa, who had sustained self for 1000's of years through hunting, fishing, ect, rounded them up, stripped them of those survival skills, put them in warehouses or work farms or mines, and in return for their labor, pay them just enough to stay just one check away from nothing...
And no, I'm no communist, or socialist, I just don't think making millions work for slave wages is the best system in which man could of come up with.
Capitalism, Communism, socialism all simply benefit a few at the top.
But of those 3 Capitalism probably has the most benefits for those within that system, but only do to 'laws' that protect the labor class, if not for those laws, capitalism would be just like communism...
Under my system there's be no 'massive collective' of people, not super large societies of millions are billions...
In nature the herds are 'thinned' and told that's a good thing, but with man, it's like 'Hey, lets just populate the Earth until it implodes'..
I don't think I'm getting anymore out of life now than people did 1000 years ago (free people that is)
But sadly, all throughout mans history, there's always been societies, Kingdoms and ruthless leaders who seek to control the population of their territory for self gain and grandure *or however spelled.
Some people just want to be left alone like a cat, free to walk amongst man while being left alone, free to eat and sleep without having to pay rent that keeps you broke.
Greed, is what will always make seem capitalism seem like a whip to many.
Think if rent were just $100.00 a month still, think how even the lowest payed person could still someone thrive, think if brand new homes only cost 5-10,000 dollars, instead of 250,000 +...but greed, profits, ect, makes capitalism seem like a prickly porcupine to those at the bottom.